This forum made me stop listening to music

Posted by: Thorsten on 09 October 2002

The subject is somewhat exaggerated. However, there is some truth in it and this is meant to be the last post on this amusing and informative forum. I hope I will be able to withstand the temptation to lurk into this forum.

Let me explain.

When I joined the forum in April I was a very happy Naim-User. I had reached my personal hifi-nirvana. I did not care anymore. I did not give a damn if there is better equipment around (I am sure there is), I had no wish for an upgrade. I switched on the gear and simply used it. I listened to my old favourites and the new stuff that comes in quite regularly. And I had fun. The better the music, the better the enjoyment.

Than I read a few things, wrote a few things. I encountered contributors who seemed to be able to draw conclusions from my system about my approach to music. A mullet=hifi freak versus source first=music lover. I belong obviously to the former category. I do not audition very often, in fact it's been quite a while. (Apart from a small attempt at the Allaes for the wish of more appropiate veneer to my floor). I do not read hifi-mags for a couple of years (anymore, I even used to write reviews for one). I do not change cables. Nothing in my mind was nagging if there was a way to make my system sound better. Til April.

Since then I found myself more often than I ever wanted sitting on my couch and wondering if Naca 5 is worth a try? Can I audition mana somewhere to find out what all the heck is about? Can I afford a cdx? Do I need black snaics? The answer until may was a clean no. Since then I was distracted while the music was playing and concentrated more than is healthy on aspects of prat and timing. I even checked out if my hicap was of better use in my 102 or my 3.5. I was listening more to my system than to my music.

What Naim can do (namely making listening to music enjoyable without fussing about tweaks) it did to me before I joined this place. This heaven of hifi-nirvana was ruined by thinking about upgrades and improvements.

I want to regain my peace of mind. I simply want to enjoy what I have, because this is the only way to enjoy music. (and it already grooves like hell). If something breaks I will be happy to upgrade. Until then I do not want to think about it anymore. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to say no to the drug upgraditis that is slowly entering my brain via the forum.

I want to thank those, who have been patient with me and apologize to those I offended. And of course thanks to naim for my nice system and their willingness to bear with people like me.

The most important upgrade: Forget about your system.
Posted on: 13 October 2002 by herm
count d.

you missed both Thorsten's point and Nick's.

Herman
Posted on: 13 October 2002 by Steve Toy
quote:
Hermann

BTW my system is Mana'd


If Thorsten ever hears your system he'll never let go of upgrading big grin

Regards,

Steve.

It's just a pleasure to hear music as it was intended to be heard.
Posted on: 14 October 2002 by Alex S.
Dear all,

I wish to announce, with a rather large fanfare, that I intend, maybe, to leave the forum some time in the future.

I thought it important to make this announcement now so that the vast hordes may prepare their pleas, send me flowers, upgrade my system for me, write charming little elegies (or tell me to fuck off).

Alex
Posted on: 14 October 2002 by Uwe Supper
Count, Alex, et al.,
I don't think the fact that Thorsten intends to leave the forum is of importance, but rather that it can lead to "upgraditis"; furthermore I have the impression that some members spend more time on the forum than in front of their system. I am therefore with Thorsten on this one and I can perfectly well understand his feelings.
Regards
Uwe
Posted on: 14 October 2002 by matthewr
http://forums.naim-audio.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=67019385&f=48019385&m=9081973943&r=1481979943#1481979943

BTW The idea of resigning from a forum that exists to discus and promote a hobby becuase it is preventing you from actually persuing that hobby is a dangerous concept that should be stamped out immediately. If we all went around with this attitude the internet would be quite literally pointless and would come to a complete standstill within days.

Matthew
Posted on: 14 October 2002 by Alex S.
I have it on good but covert authority that you are a big fan of bland female vocalists. I'm sure they don't distract you unduly from your real passion.

Alex

BTW Thorsten, my comments were not aimed at you - please join us in the Music Cell.
Posted on: 14 October 2002 by matthewr
I suspect your covert authority is deaf from listening to too much bangin' techno at fashionable bars in Shoreditch.

Matthew
Posted on: 14 October 2002 by Alex S.
Actually my source was not the king of Bengali thrash hop.

Alex
Posted on: 15 October 2002 by David Ng
Hockman,

You must have good seats. I've attended two concerts in the last 6 months. On both occasion when I returned home and play the same songs on my system, I am able to enjoy the music more from my 6 pack dbls. But I enjoy attending concerts as I get to meet friends and see the artist in person.

david
Posted on: 16 October 2002 by Matthew T
Hockman,

I would agree. I have never heard a hifi that really does classical music justice. Jazz is slightly different in that it tends to be amplified and this can be pretty poor although when it is done well it is far more involving then playig a CD. Rock/pop, however, generally sucks when it comes to live performance in regards to sonic quality.

Matthew
Posted on: 16 October 2002 by David Ng
Hockman,

Yes, Deep Purple and Uriah Heep. Not a classical fan.

david
Posted on: 16 October 2002 by Jonas_Bj
This is a realy good topic, it explains much. wink
I see your point. Go Thorsten Go Thorsten =) But don't go away from us smile




/ J
Posted on: 16 October 2002 by louis_lx
After some months/years of HiFi Forum's intoxication, that showed me how unhappy i should be with my old and tired system, i took one step beyond and experiment 2 weeks in my house one of their gods...not exactly a Apolo but a CDX... and theory and practice become one.

So, if you want to be happy for the rest of your life, make a ugly woman your wife... ups... sorry... forget hifi foruns and magazines for a while, and, never, never, accept a home demo without 100% sure of writting the check afterwards...


My "mono" (in portuguese, it means a old thing nobody wants, including the owner):
CD3 + 72 + 40 + REGA XEL
Posted on: 16 October 2002 by Steve Toy
At which point do you really throw in the towel ragarding hi-fi purchases?

Personally, I don't find that it is so much this place that makes me want to upgrade, it is more likely walking past (and popping into) my dealer which seems to do it for me.

I am very satisfied with my system, and a recent visitor made the comment that it just plays music, and you stop bothering about soundstage stuff... smile

However, I'm curious to find out what a knock-down-in-price, old-style XPS will do for it... red face

As for Thorsten, unfortunately, he seems to be a goner - he hasn't added anything to this thread at all since he started it.

Regards,

Steve.

It's just a pleasure to hear music as it was intended to be heard.

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on THURSDAY 17 October 2002 at 04:01.]
Posted on: 20 October 2002 by Bob Shedlock
Interesting thread. It is unfortunate that Thorsten's own perspective wasn't subjectively well defined enough to withstand the influence of exposure to other's.
To my way of thinking (living), a hobby should be an act of creation that results in something tangible. That creation, or result, provides a feedback or reflection of its creator's vision and in addition to giving one a sense of accomplishment, helps to define and evole the actor.
So if you can abide by that, then hi fi is not a hobby, but a pastime or a form of entertainment. THOSE being activites that are more passive than active and provide much needed distractions from the daily grind. If the act does not result in some "thing", it is not, by my definition, a hobby.
I listen to music because I like music, and the experience of the emotional conveyance I get from the perspective of others.
I participate in this fourm because it is entertaining and there are some genuinely funny/inteligent/insightful people here that make me laugh out loud.
Riding my motorcycle is a wonderful pastime that causes me loose myself totaly to the demands of the environment and the machine, very zen. Still, it results in no "thing".
I find very little relationship between my hi fi and the hi fi corner. Do I need therapy?
Posted on: 20 October 2002 by NB
You need to give new equipment time to settle down before you question whether it is working properly or not.

How long ago did you purchase your new CD?

You need to wait at least a month or two before you get the best out of new equipment.

Regards

NB
Posted on: 20 October 2002 by NB
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Bob

I find very little relationship between my hi fi and the hi fi corner. Do I need therapy?

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I think most on here do Bob!!

wink

NB