Stands again
Posted by: Not For Me on 23 June 2002
Don't groan!
I have just assembled my QS Ref racks, and first impressions are extremely favourable.
Previous stands were Sound Factory Tripods.
Better control, deeper bass, more resolution, more foot tapping, all good stuff.
I am learning not to keep wobbling them, just for the fun of it.
I am looking forward to the amps warming up again after being unplugged.
The only issues were that my tuner falls through the hole in the shelf, and I had to put different feet on the cassette deck, as it had two in the hole two out.
DS
ITC - Kylie Minogue - Can't get Blue Monday out of my head.
I have just assembled my QS Ref racks, and first impressions are extremely favourable.
Previous stands were Sound Factory Tripods.
Better control, deeper bass, more resolution, more foot tapping, all good stuff.
I am learning not to keep wobbling them, just for the fun of it.
I am looking forward to the amps warming up again after being unplugged.
The only issues were that my tuner falls through the hole in the shelf, and I had to put different feet on the cassette deck, as it had two in the hole two out.
DS
ITC - Kylie Minogue - Can't get Blue Monday out of my head.
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by Steve Toy
When you have had a chance to have a proper listen, order a Mana Spirit Level, undo the whole shebang, and start again. If you don't want to power down your components, get one of those computer mains blocks to plug your kit into and stack it while you are reassembling your rack - the time it takes to unplug and immediately replug is not sufficient for your components to go cold.
This time, take care to ensure that the rods are only finger-and-thumb tight, and that the screw threads on all the spikes are as short as possible. It will now wobble even more, but you may like the further improvement in musicality.
Regards,
Steve.
The proof of the pudding...
This time, take care to ensure that the rods are only finger-and-thumb tight, and that the screw threads on all the spikes are as short as possible. It will now wobble even more, but you may like the further improvement in musicality.
Regards,
Steve.
The proof of the pudding...
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by Mick P
Steve
I believe the Mana spirit level retails at £25.00 which is expensive compared to a good quality builders spirit level which will be more accurate and cheaper if bought from a builders merchant.
Regards
Mick
[This message was edited by Mick Parry on WEDNESDAY 26 June 2002 at 17:29.]
I believe the Mana spirit level retails at £25.00 which is expensive compared to a good quality builders spirit level which will be more accurate and cheaper if bought from a builders merchant.
Regards
Mick
[This message was edited by Mick Parry on WEDNESDAY 26 June 2002 at 17:29.]
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by Steve Toy
quote:
I believe the Mana spirit level retails at £25.00 which is expensive compared to a good quality builders spirit on which will be more accurate and cheaper if bought from a builders merchant.
I have used one or two builders' levels and they are nowhere near as accurate as the Mana one where it is near impossible to keep the bubble within the circle just by holding the level in your hand.
It is £30, but includes a nice leather pouch.
Regards,
Steve.
The proof of the pudding...
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by garyi
A proper spirt level is more accurate, because it covers more surface area. Don't believe the hype steve. Depending on where I place the spirt level I will get differing results on the same shelf, this is purely down to the fact its only taking the level of around 2 square inches, a builders one will take the whole surface into account, revealing a truer reading.
Looks nice though ;-)
Looks nice though ;-)
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by belsizepark
A spirit level debate!
If Naim made a spirit level, would it be better than the Mana one, and if I owned a regular builders merchant spirit level, do people think I should upgrade it to the Naim one, or would a change in my CD player from a 3.5 to a CDX be a better upgrade?
Regards
Belsizepark
If Naim made a spirit level, would it be better than the Mana one, and if I owned a regular builders merchant spirit level, do people think I should upgrade it to the Naim one, or would a change in my CD player from a 3.5 to a CDX be a better upgrade?
Regards
Belsizepark
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by Mick P
Steve
Your old friend Vuk entered into a lengthy debate on this subjuct with JW a few years ago and JW conceeded that the spirit level was indeed a marketing ploy. It is only more accurate that a cheap £10.00 jobbie from B&Q.
The real truth, is that a £25.00 spirit level from a builders merchant is far more accurate than the Mana one.
Regard the Mana level as a nice gimmick that looks accurate but isn't.
Regards
Mick
Your old friend Vuk entered into a lengthy debate on this subjuct with JW a few years ago and JW conceeded that the spirit level was indeed a marketing ploy. It is only more accurate that a cheap £10.00 jobbie from B&Q.
The real truth, is that a £25.00 spirit level from a builders merchant is far more accurate than the Mana one.
Regard the Mana level as a nice gimmick that looks accurate but isn't.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by belsizepark
I am a bit concerned because I have lost the bubble in my spirit level. Any one any idea where I can buy a new one?
Regards
Belsizepark
Regards
Belsizepark
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by Mick P
Richard
I own an Engineers spirit level from the days when I was a toolmakers apprentice.
The Mana level is very convenient because as you say, it drops over the platter on a TT.
However, it is dead easy to do what I did when I set my TT up amd just rotate the platter back and forth by 90 degrees.
A £25.00 level from a builders merchant is bloody accurate.
Regards
Mick
I own an Engineers spirit level from the days when I was a toolmakers apprentice.
The Mana level is very convenient because as you say, it drops over the platter on a TT.
However, it is dead easy to do what I did when I set my TT up amd just rotate the platter back and forth by 90 degrees.
A £25.00 level from a builders merchant is bloody accurate.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by Alex S.
Anyway David, Steven's correct - you must undo and redo your stand at least three times a week. . .
Alex
Alex
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by garyi
Belsizepark.
The bubble is the critical interface between water, glass and metal and is therefore the most pricy part of the componant.
However refitting the bubble costs forty pounds, however I can send you a bubble in the post, and you could try fitting it yourself.
The bubble is the critical interface between water, glass and metal and is therefore the most pricy part of the componant.
However refitting the bubble costs forty pounds, however I can send you a bubble in the post, and you could try fitting it yourself.
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by Not For Me
Stephen et al,
Thanks for your comments. I have already got a Mana spirit level for my Phase 4 table.
Yes, I mix Mana (deck) & Quadraspire (other stuff)
I can't believe that being a little off true 100% level will harm the amplifier stand ? Unless somebody is now going to say that it is more difficult for the current to run up hill!
How tight for the Q4R top shelf nuts? I used the little tommy bar provided to go one notch firmer than finger tight?
DS
OTP - Orbital - The Naked and the Dub
Thanks for your comments. I have already got a Mana spirit level for my Phase 4 table.
Yes, I mix Mana (deck) & Quadraspire (other stuff)
I can't believe that being a little off true 100% level will harm the amplifier stand ? Unless somebody is now going to say that it is more difficult for the current to run up hill!
How tight for the Q4R top shelf nuts? I used the little tommy bar provided to go one notch firmer than finger tight?
DS
OTP - Orbital - The Naked and the Dub
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by garyi
Dave, stick it where you want it, wack the kit on, then play some music. Its what its all about.
Today I is mostly listening to Masters at work Our time is Coming
Nice.
Today I is mostly listening to Masters at work Our time is Coming
Nice.
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by P
P - Pablo Honey - 10 years on
Posted on: 26 June 2002 by Steve Toy
quote:
I can't believe that being a little off true 100% level will harm the amplifier stand ? Unless somebody is now going to say that it is more difficult for the current to run up hill!
How tight for the Q4R top shelf nuts? I used the little tommy bar provided to go one notch firmer than finger tight?
Firstly, if you get the runt shelf as level as level can be, you can then retract the threads to the spikes beneath the top shelf to the very minimum, and the amount of torque required to turn all four of the shafts into which the spikes are screwed with your finger and thumb will be equal - this is very important!
Secondly, the top shelf nuts can also be finger-and-thumb tight as they are not coming in contact with the shelf.
Regards,
Steve.
The proof of the pudding...
[This message was edited by Steven Toy on THURSDAY 27 June 2002 at 02:06.]