mains cable rip off

"If it wasnt for the sacrifices my country made, and my family members, you would be living under German rule."

Made me chuckle. I heard one of your country-persons say something similar about the French, and they really meant it!

David

"If it wasnt for the sacrifices my country made, and my family members, you would be living under German rule."

Well - that's a good way to widen the argument!

Of course the stereotypical American view is that they saved the world. The reality is that it was a little more complicated than that and a heck of a lot of people paid the ultimate sacrifice in WWII (which was IMHO also the last war fought on the demonstrable basis of right against wrong).

Regarding Chicago, I've never been there, and probably never will. In terms of Florida, I could happily live there. In reality I'll probably stay in this cramped little country with its crap government.

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The eagerness with which Americans still resort to this tired old saw has become genuinely embarassing (speaking as an American myself).

It's become like an insecure child whose parents, having purchased a ball that all the other kids need to play, desperately tries to enforce "respect" by reminding everyone that if it weren't for him (his parents), they'd all be sitting sadly at home.

Max, give it a rest, man.

Eric

Anyone with even a passing knowledge knows the Russians won the war, and paid for it with a much deeper sacrifice than Americans did.

--Eric

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Originally posted by mad max:
. If it wasnt for the sacrifices my country made, and my family members, you would be living under German rule . So I would appreciate a little respect for my country!

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Indeed. Both the 1916-1918 AND 1942-1945 wars. Lost a few ourselves; The Russians probably lost about 20 million.

Should point out that most of Germany is currently under German rule; nothing wrong with that. The Nazis, on the other hand......



Mike

On the Yellow Brick Road and happy

oh and i just noticed on their 16 amp cable the iec is rated at 120 volts.does this make a differences as here we are on 240 volts?
just for the record i was shocked at the mark up not angry or upset as i did not buy either of the cables,
and i admit yes i was bitching,but i thought to myself lets see what other forum members think and it seems most of you have a better knowledge than me to do with the retail side of things.
enlightenenment is not always for the better now forever more i will question the cost of everything.

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SAY WHAT? your analogy is sooooooooooooooo ridiculous it's not worth a response!

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I thought the analogy was actually rather good.



Regards,

Steve.

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Originally posted by minime:
oh and i just noticed on their 16 amp cable the iec is rated at 120 volts.does this make a differences as here we are on 240 volts?

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minime, simple way to understand this. Double the voltage, half the current (amperes). Half the voltage, double the current (amperes).

If a particular piece of wire is rated at 120 volts/10 amps, then at 240 volts it is good for 5 amps, and vice versa. The cable in question therefore would be good for 8 amps at 240 volts if it is rated at 16 amps at 120 volts. There is some confusion regarding plugs and sockets due to the ratings set by the different electrical standards associations in each country such as BSA/CSA/UL/Nemko/Demko/Semko, ad nauseum. A plug made by Hubbel specifically for the U.S. market may have a rating engraved on it that is difficult to cross refer to another country, not because of the formula stated above, but because of a local electrical standard.

In the U.S. and Canada, in residential wiring, the service panel (fuse box) has a 15 amp breaker for each spur with no interruption (fuse or switch) in between the box and the item plugged into the wall. The maximum current available at the end of each spur is typically 15 amps, so even if you use a power cord rated at 100 amps, only 15 amps is available anyway. Only the oven and clothes dryer are run on 240 volts. In the UK, you have both a switch and a fuse in each spur line, further limiting the available current at the plug (not up on the latest UK electrical code so I don't know the ratings). It is always possible to have an electrician install a larger service panel (higher current rating) and run a dedicated spur with a higher breaker or fuse rating for same. If you did this, you could then potentially realize some benefit for the higher available current through the higher current rated cables. If your entire kit only pulls 5 amps full on and is not blowing fuses or tripping breakers, then there is no rational reason to upgrade to a higher current rating. It's like putting 160mph rated tires on a car that can't do 100mph, bit of a waste.

And you should question the cost of everything, but buy something from time to time. It's not only good for the soul, but remember, you're only alive 'till you're dead, and then you're dead forever. Enjoy life, spend some money!

Mad Max, I apologise.

It is a well known fact that the Americans won the First World War, The Second World War, the War of The Roses, Waterloo, The Battle of the Nile, the Norman Conquest, Agincourt etc. and we should be forever in your debt - despite the number of your allies you continue to kill in so called friendly fire.

Pity you f*cked up so badly in Viet Nam.

cheers

Nigel

Mad max

SAY WHAT? your analogy is sooooooooooooooo ridiculous it's not worth a response!


So thats why you responded, then.....

Mike

On the Yellow Brick Road and happy

Mad Max

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Sorry, but I take great offense to that statement!
Funny that you should make such a statement, as a history major, and one who lost a couple of uncles in the war, I don't recall any russians fighting in the south pacific. Maybe you heard of japan

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I dont recall any Americans fighting in Russia..heard of Russia? Home of the Russkies...they where a bit busy in WW2 - the 1939-1945 version, by the way; losing 20 million takes some time. Strangely, WW2 ( clue WORLD war 2 ) was not actually confined to the South Pacific.

Ever heard of Europe? India? Burma? Thailand? France? Chzechoslovakia? etc etc etc.

Unless you want to make yourself look a REAL twat can I suggest you wind your neck in. The US made sacrifices that the world will never forget. But the US was by no means alone. Unlike you.

Mike

On the Yellow Brick Road and happy

Hmmm, Deja Vu...

This reminds me of my days as a teenager living in the US. If I ever got in an arguement the same old line was invariably trotted out - "Hey buddy! Don't forget we saved your a*s!" My reply was that, well yes, there were a few Americans who, despite a lot of pressure at home at the time for the US to stay out of a European dispute, came over to enlist with the RAF to help fight the Battle of Britain and, yes, we are all eternally grateful to them.

You know how it continues...

I think for the sake of sanity we should all get back to the topic of this thread. OK?

Richard

Good call

Mad Boy Matt

thank you richard.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but...
the last time I checked, this was an AUDIO forum!?


TNJB

Hear, Hear.

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oh and i just noticed on their 16 amp cable the iec is rated at 120 volts.does this make a differences as here we are on 240 volts?

These two ratings are co dependent not interrelated 120v cable must not be used on 240v make no mistake, this is a rating for voltage insulation.

Stuart

the plug on the end is iec and is rated at 120 v,so am i correct to assume this is safe on a 240v supply?

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Sometimes the truth is hard to accept!

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What, that the U.S. saved the ass of the French in WW2 or we would be under German rule if it wasn't for you lot?

Actually I was chuckling because an American lady just didn't understand why the French government would not support the Anglo American invasion of Iraq, and cited the U.S. liberation of France in WW2. I wanted to (jokingly) point out that as they helped liberate 'you' from 'us' so you and the French were all square but I bit my lip.

As to the facts, there is no doubt that lend-lease and the North Atlantic convoys were crucial in keeping us going. However, we were safe from invasion when Hitler lost the Battle of Britain and launched Operation Barbarosa against the Soviet Union. If you look back on your notes you will see both of these events occured before U.S. entry into the war.

I don't think we were ever under threat of invasion from the Japanese! As an intersting aside I am suprised you didn't know the Red Army did in fact fight against Japan. They defeated the 1 million strong Japanese army in Manchuria and Stalin boasted to Truman that he would be ready to invade Japan before Britain and America. There may be a connection with this and the subsequent use of the A-bomb but you can make your own mind up on that one.

David

back on topic is a 120v iec safe to use on a 240v supply
p.s. can't wait for ww3 you guy's have got me chompin' at the bit

We should call this thread 'How to get from a discussion about power cables to WW2 post-war analysis by amateur historians in 17 easy steps'

Joe90

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Originally posted by mad max:
How much do you think naim kit costs to make? Take the nap500, I would think that it costs no more than, at the most, a few hundred dollars

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Max,

when we visited the factory for the Naim BBQ & factory tour, they explained that one of the castings in the NAP500 case cost several hundred quid.

BTW, they had several bits on a table & I picked one up. It was the internal heatsink for a NAP135, IIRC. The guide quickly, but carefully took it out of my hands. And this thing goes inside the product where noone will ever see it.

cheers, Martin

E-mail:- MartinPayne at Dial.Pipex.com

If Nazi Germany had defeated the UK we would have been ruled by a man who ignored international law, invaded foreign countries with little or no cause, ignored the democratic process in his own country, dismantled its constitution and banned hunting with dogs.....so we could have had New Labour 50 years earlier?

Jo

Jo
Phew - a wee bit vitriolic about the great grin, especially when we're supposed to be talking about a 2 ft long wire with a plug at each end.
(I do agree with you though, plus some! - Hope the yanks aren't listening in, 'cos they think he's the best thing since sliced bread!)

Best thing since sliced bread? Well , since the Blessed Maggie was in No 10. He is actually a very effective PM,and the Americans are right to praise him; just a bit tricky that his own party are not too keen.....

On the topic of mains cables, I have tried several home brew variants; some were good, others not. The biggest improvement came from running the mains cable directly into a consumer unit located behind the hi-fi; no mains plugs, multiple sockets or 13 amp fuses to worry about.

Jo