Jonothan King is a Brave & Honest Man !!!

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Originally posted by Stewart Platts:
Funny thing is, despite this absence, as soon as I saw his cocky, smug expression and twisted mouth once again, I still got the urge to work the bastard over with a baseball bat studded with nails.

Me too! Pass me mine!

Whether his "crime" then would be legal now is irrelevant. If we reviewed every single crime retrospectively every time the law changed, the whole legal system would collapse in chaos. It was a crime then and therefore has to be addressed - and that's only regarding his music!

Whils't chatting with my old girl on the dog the other night for simply ages, this King scenario came up. As somebody who's worked for some 40 years plus in childcare firstly as a paediatric nurse, then running childrens homes, mainly for girls (babys - 18) in UK (now retired and struggling on a pathetic woman's pension)), I suppose she is quiet experienced, not to mention bringing up 5 kids of her own, yours truly being the oldest.
Over the years in UK I/we heard many a horrific first hand story, wether it be mindless extreme drunken/egoisitic beatings from parents or parent's boy/girl friends, sexual abuse, horrific unmentionable physical violence, 12/13 years olds + getting pregnant & going on the game to get dope money etc, getting pregnant a second time (in care still / not prison) and still not being quiet sure how she/they became so ?

Just a touch of reality in many a modern society which unfortunately will come as no suprise to many of you. While in no way whatsoever condoning sexual child abuse I was suprised that her opinion on this matter regarding King was not too adrift from my own, and after mentioning that here in Berlin as with Paris the elected Mayor's are openly Gay (no relation to children naturally) but in many folks eyes in UK etc, it unfortunaterly seems to be the standard mental association for some reason ? and always get's taken up by the finkin police, innit.
Paedophilia here, as with most civilised sociteies is abhorred, and anybody caught in the act etc, is taken to task by the law big style, as they supposedly are in the UK, but by Judges, and 12 honourable & True people, rather than Sky fucking news and the Sun. Getting back to the point regarding King, I, as well as my old girl both believe in the heading that I've given this thread, though thankfully she's never seen this hallowed forum, and like most people of her ilk (sadly) have no incline or interest in computers & the internet, etc, and thinks that the guy certainly is brave and honest.
Wether he be a total daft prat (which I've always thought he was/is, as does my old girl+ many others) is neither here nor there, and he ain't no Oscar Wilde either, but if his stance isn't recognised for what it is 'Honesty' and I'm not protecting him, as wasn't my old girl, though she also realised the impotence of the situation, which many of you just cannie see, or wont ? If I was a parent, or as she said; if I, or one of my siblings were not as expected as teenagers (no comments Mr P thank you) I/ we would probably have (at the time) been forced to leave home (under some other pretext) so, bear this with what you now have, and ask yourselves the same question, innit ? I think it mainly applies to males, as little girls/women (wether Gay/Lesbian Bi-sexual or Macho Swindon) have the edge.
As a final rant, I can't help but recall as a younger chap with many other younger chaps (many a Jock Tee'boot) in this toon frequenting the odd naughty nice girl Bar, and having a Gay old time big style, the details of which I'll leave to your imaqinations. Many of those gilrs were circa 16 ish (and East Block & Asian to-boot) and not a whisper of indignation was ever uttered or heard, I just wonder how their daughters now would be treated today if they too worked in such a place ? I've known many a girl on the game in this town (many with families themselves) who mainly worked/work (fortunately) for legal, licenced organisations, and have had great times with them privately and as friends. I personally have never slept with a prostitute as it goes against my own insinctive respect for women, but have absolutely no problems with those who do and the 'legal' buisiness'ess that surround them, and that goes equally for the Gay/Lesbian fratenity, who so many people out there are afraid of !



Fritz von goalpost shifting by the Jock's at Wembley was outsatnding really, I know, cos I was there, and for those non Cockney's out there the first lines of this rant refer to 'Old Girl' My Mother & 'Dog ' the phone, as the Graham Alexander is too long !!! Innit John ?

Simply by referring to his rubbish as 'music' you do him Justice !

Fritz

I have no idea what your point is, not least because you are almost incoherent most of the time, but -

this is not about his being homosexual, it is about the guy being convicted of a series of serious, and illegal at the time (and some illegal even now), sexual offences. Whether you or anyone else thinks what he did is not wrong is not the point; the point is that it was against the law and he was rightly imprisoned.

Another question is about his parole. One condition of parole is that you admit and show remorse for your crime. I am satonished that no action has been taken about his statement, outside the prison gates, that he did no wrong and was wrongly convicted. he should be back inside.

Oh you mean the Law that applies to the thousands of drink drivers who race your roads daily, or is it the law that is allright for you and not for me ?


Fritz You bore me with your arrogance old bean

I remember talking to a girlfriend about child abuse and she seemed to think that for some folk (men mainly) to criticise child abusers was a bit rich seeing as these folk were probably the ones who 'went home and beat the wife up'....
I think this may be some of what Fritz is getting at....

"I think this may be some of what Fritz is getting at...."

I do not think even Fritz knows what he is getting at because I certainly do not.

I think that Jonathan King is playing a very dangerous media game.

I imagine he feels that if the world thinks he is a child molestor his career will be effectively over aka Gary Glitter.

He seems to think that by putting on an act, someone will believe him and that as the British are well known for loving the underdog, he will be exonerated in some sort of way.

My impression is that his lack of remorse is just making his reputation worse and his campaign to "prove his inocence" will completely rebound on him.

He seems to ignore the fact that the young boys who he played around with are having to live through this whole episode, yet again, and in my eyes, that is unforgiveable.

Regards

Mick

Well said Our Mick, though I think comparing the wanker³ Mr Gadd who dealt big style in child porn on the internet is an unfair association and comparison.

Fritz Von Tarring Jack is not always the right field to kill, innit and it certainly ain't jolly

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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
Fritz

I have no idea what your point is, not least because you are almost incoherent most of the time, but -

this is not about his being homosexual, it is about the guy being convicted of a series of serious, and illegal at the time (and some illegal even now), sexual offences. Whether you or anyone else thinks what he did is not wrong is not the point; the point is that it was against the law and he was rightly imprisoned.

Another question is about his parole. One condition of parole is that you admit and show remorse for your crime. I am satonished that no action has been taken about his statement, outside the prison gates, that he did no wrong and was wrongly convicted. he should be back inside.

Exactly! Why was the fucker released when he was clearly unrepentant? So far as I can tell, he'll have no qualms about porking some other poor screwed up pubescent boy if he gets a chance. And for those of you who think that's okay because being a "child" is merely a semantic technicality, I think we're going to disagree.

When a grown-up, mature adult man avails himself of the opportunity to pork a confused young teenage boy, I am apt to take issue with him.

Going back to the baseball bat and the nails...!

EW

Yes the deviant seemed full of remorse didn't he? Bragging about how much money he'd made while "inside".

He deserves the same fate that befell Edward II. That would wipe the smug expression off the bastard's fat face.

When the famous Spaniard Picasso was publically porking (as some people describe it) young girls when into his late 80'as - 90's as regularly published in the UK truth press, which at the time disgusted me personally, I looked out of my window which also at the time overlooked the Berlin wall (40 metres away) and contemplated all of the memorials & crosses in my then street commemorating, 'marking,' shot criminals from the East, young & old, male & female, and when I now look out of my window where I now sit and look at the beautiful high, decorated gas lamps (still in use) where many a soul previously hung for days, I think to mesen, "well, They we're all breaking the Law weren't they, so the bastards deserved to die".


Fritz Von Obvious innit Tom

N.B. Is Fritz a Traitor ?

Whilst not condoning child abuse or any sort of abuse towards children, I have to say that talk of sorting him out with baseball bats hardly seems to get to the root of the problem, more likely it seems like an attack (revenge?) on someone who is perceived as arrogant, which he may be, but I don't know him.

As I said I do not condone child abuse in any way shape or form but talk of baseball bats reminds me of the vigilante type of behaviour seen when 'newspapers' released the names and addresses of convicted paedophiles.

Surely we've moved on from this type of behaviour?

Of course I suppose we could all go around beating the shit out of anyone who annoyed us seeing as we're such law abiding citizens who have never broken the law?

This vile predator has taken advantage of vulnerable young people simply for his own deviant satisfaction, completely without regard to the effect that it may have on that person.

To see him emerge from an abridged custodial sentence stating that he enjoyed the time he spent inside and that he made shed loads of money hardly illustrates that the punishment did its job does it?

To me this unrepentant behaviour is like rubbing salt in the wounds of his victims.

What if gets a good kicking? Who bloody cares? It might teach him a lesson.

God Forbid, assuming that he's been released early because new & old non evidence for his conviction have come to light, Hanging was obviously to good for him (I refer only to him) a good kick in the arse would have been better, showing remorse for something you havent done is wonderfully Victorian & Dickensian, these fools that have let him out must be punished pronto, your Springer type requirements of behavious are sick to the extreme in my opinion.

Fritz Von He's organising Charlies Stag night I hear, though no Nazi's or faggots are welcome

N.B. I wonder if anybody will turn up then ? barring the lads ?

Think I'll now opt out of this thread as I'm probably in a minority for thinking violence ever cured anything....

Not a bad point, Fritz (if I understood it!): perhaps it's the dim twat who signed for his release who deserves the baseball bat treatment!

On which subject, I was being quasi-metophorical: I would dearly like to give him the good news with a shovel or similar implement, but being a civilised, law abiding person I shall restrain that urge.

And speaking of restraining urges, he'd never have ended up in prison in the first place if he'd been able to restrain his. Wanting to is generally okay provided you actually don't.

EW

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
and when I now look out of my window where I now sit and look at the beautiful high, decorated gas lamps (still in use) where many a soul previously hung for days, I think to mesen, "well, They we're all breaking the Law weren't they, so the bastards deserved to die".

That is hardly the same thing and you know it. We are talking about a law from a democratic country - not crimes against humanity by the communist block being law enforcement.

back again!

Resisting an urge (however horrific the consequences), in my opinion, is something many paedophiles, rapists, murderers etc have trouble doing which is why they end up doing what they do. I'm also of the opinion that no amount of violence will change their behaviour.

Sad to say I don't know what the answer is, save for life imprisonment of some kind. Castration in my view may make some of these people even worse in my view IE kill instead of rape.

But I have to ask myself if one of my children ended up with these kinds of urges would I want to give THEM a good kicking.

Just a thought ot two.

I will go now.

Whils't recently watching Graham Green's brilliantly screened 1949 version of 'The Turd Man' with that 'War of the Worlds gadgey' to name but a few; I was reminded of the seriousness of what breaking the law can actually entail in the real Uniwerse. Harry Lime was finally caught by the short & curlies (actually the International Police consisting at the time in post war Vienna 'Wien'), of Brits, Yanks, Frogs, & Ruskies) not too unlike the good old days in this fair City come to tink of it, got im.
He'd been selling stolen (manipulted) penniccillin on the black market, that resulted in hundreds of horrible deaths (mainly children) for greed and possibly stupidity ? and was eventually and justifiably shot for his idiocy and arrogance.



Fritz Von Luvvly Jubbly Music though wunnit ? and Wilfred Hyde White as a face, Wotta Star

N.B. I didn't know the Yanks started in Vietnam with their special special special farces in 59, just after the Fwench left toon, dod you ?


Nob: An old Boozer in Portsmouth had just reopened, namely "The Paedophile & Vigillante" it reminds folk of the last (not too distant) round of pubic witch hunting that resulted in many innocent folk committing suicide, if I'm wrong, tell me all about it, you know it makes sense this is England 2005, innit.

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Originally posted by Rasher:

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
and when I now look out of my window where I now sit and look at the beautiful high, decorated gas lamps (still in use) where many a soul previously hung for days, I think to mesen, "well, They we're all breaking the Law weren't they, so the bastards deserved to die".

That is hardly the same thing and you know it. We are talking about a law from a democratic country - not crimes against humanity by the communist block being law enforcement.

My first comments refer to the GDR, my second ones to which you refer, and to which I now (Today) see, refer to the Democratically elected 3rd Reich.

Fritz Von The D in GDR stands for Democratic innit, but it's sder fukin law son yee cannie say our agains't it

Democracy - let that bastard ring my doorbell. He is then on my property and I would dettermine that my children were in danger and deal with it in accordance with the law of the land. Yes, the same legal system that he failed to adhere to when buggering some young children.

BTW - I would not need the bat and nails.......

If Jonothan King is surfing this forum instead of trawling the net for kiddie porn - bring it on. He is no more than a child-f**ker.

Did I mention that I REALLY do not like him ?

The cnut is neither brave nor honest. I'd love to meet him outside my house: I'd give his balls such a kicking that he'd never bother young boys again.

I'd also think that any profits made on any CD released while the cnut's out on provisional release should be handed over to his victims.

Graham

It seems we can all agree he's pretty hard to like then! Sorry Fritz, brave and honest are the wrong adjectives.

EW

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
....and when I now look out of my window where I now sit and look at the beautiful high, decorated gas lamps (still in use) where many a soul previously hung for days, I think to mesen, "well, They we're all breaking the Law weren't they, so the bastards deserved to die".
My first comments refer to the GDR, my second ones to which you refer, and to which I now (Today) see, refer to the Democratically elected 3rd Reich.
Fritz Von The D in GDR stands for Democratic innit, but it's sder fukin law son yee cannie say our agains't it

Well I'm glad that you have it all sorted out and have decided, in that case, that it suits you best over there. Each to his own, eh Fritz?! Or is it just that you are a big hearted forgiving sort of a bloke ready to see the best in the worst at the drop of a hat, even the Nazi's eh?, just back the underdog; for they know not what they do, eh?! Oh well chaps, Tally-Ho, bandits at 3 O'clock.....