Jonothan King is a Brave & Honest Man !!!

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And I am still waiting for someone to explain how King's offences are any different to Mandy Smith and Bill Wyman?

Matthew

Jonothan King was jailed for sexually assaulting a 14 and a 15 year old.

Consent was not an issue, age was.

As for your attempts to imply I am more capable of putting my child at danger by allowing her to play in the street or that she will be more at danger from a lightening strike - I am totally dumbfounded.

This thread has demonstrated, once again, that there are people on this forum who are only interested in creating argument from nothing. The actual topic is of no importance, just the fact they wish to try and turn anything the way they want.

I've had enough of this. GFY

If in the seemingly unlikely event of King's conviction being overturned on appeal (one wonders if that's part of the early release bit ?) If he's ever lied (ie, hasn't been honest, it'll surely come out ?), he's obviously not stupid, though Brave in the sense like many like him has leanrned from a young age how to be tougher than the rest (externally ). He's a figure of hate because he's outspoken and indignant I suspect.

Fritz Von Before I go and fuck mesen, I was wondering about how society treats young kids who are sexually abused (proven) then when they as young adults etc, commit the same 'CRIMES' as many unfortiunately do, we chuck the book at them, and no I'm not referring to Jonny boy either, nice weekend

N.B. If of course he is pardoned in some way it will be an obvious put up jon (Mugabe special innit)

He comes across as an odious man for all sorts of reasons, and I suspect that none of us here is actually aware of exactly what he was convicted of doing or with whom.

When it comes to subjects for discussion on an internet forum where the risk and scale of potential offence being caused/taken is huge, this must rate as one of the biggest cans of worms that could be opened...

But I thought that to be released on parole necessitated showing remorse of some description (which it doesn't appear Jonathan King has/does) and which would in itself imply admitting guilt (which again he appears to be denying).

So is it now the case in the British Criminal justice system that the sentence a convict serves is roughly half of what they were given in some way automatically? Presumably he "behaved" himself inside (except for the music), but even so this seems extraordinary to me. What actually is the point of judicial flexibility in sentencing if this is the case?

"Jonothan King was jailed for sexually assaulting a 14 and a 15 year old"

In circumstances that seem (as far as I can tell) no different to Bill Wyman's sex with the then 15 year old Mandy Smith.

"As for your attempts to imply I am more capable of putting my child at danger by allowing her to play in the street or that she will be more at danger from a lightening strike"

The point was that the risk of your daughter being adducted is miniscule. She is in much more real danger from being hit by a car.

"I've had enough of this. GFY"

Charming.

Matthew

I wonder if he wears Bi's ?


Fritz Von I wouldn't mind ten bob for every non Fritz post that's landed on this little thread, must be like being a pop mogul, dosh for nowt, innit

You're right our Mick, I forgot that one, maybe I should you ten bob towards yer next case of plonk son ?

Fritz Von Port Ho

Like a good Sgt Major, Mr King apparently liked a gargle of port before doing radio interviews etc, we shall soon see I fancy ?


Fritz Von All thois talk of eugenics and gays, wotta forum really

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Originally posted by matthewr:
"Jonothan King was jailed for sexually assaulting a 14 and a 15 year old"

In circumstances that seem (as far as I can tell) no different to Bill Wyman's sex with the then 15 year old Mandy Smith.

"As for your attempts to imply I am more capable of putting my child at danger by allowing her to play in the street or that she will be more at danger from a lightening strike"

The point was that the risk of your daughter being adducted is miniscule. She is in much more real danger from being hit by a car.

"I've had enough of this. GFY"

Charming.

Matthew

matthew

Difference - JK was charged and jailed for a SERIOUS sexual assault. I do not believe that charges were ever brought or proved in court against Bill Wyman. I am not saying this is correct - the thread is about Jonothan King, remember ? I do not ever recall defending JK, BW or JP here, and never would.

My daughter's risk - your quote "Hell she's probably in more danger than from lightning strikes than paedophile abduction". Cars (never mentioned in your comparison) are not an issue in our estate - there is no through road, adequate traffic calming and my daughter is well-educated in road safety. Risks are limited. I do not recall any child being killed by lightning in my lifetime - what about yours ?

As for my "sentiments", take them as you see fit. I have two beautiful children I would protect with my own life.

If you have children, you know exactly what I mean. If you do not have children, you don't know what responsibility means, and probably never will.

LTD

Because someone does not have children does not mean they are irresponsible or uncaring. I think that was a sweeping generalisation.

I will however say this, my main concern in these cases is protection of inocent children.

The only way to ensure this, is to lock these guys up until they reach seventy years of age, when their "urges" disappear, irrespective of how long a sentence that works out to be.

Regards

Mick

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Originally posted by matthewr:
And I am still waiting for someone to explain how King's offences are any different to Mandy Smith and Bill Wyman?

Matthew

The act was probably not materially different (intercourse with a minor). The difference is that King was tried and found guilty whereas, IIRC, Wyman was not even charged.


Which is the more reprehensible in terms of sex with a minor:

Man with boy
Man with girl
Woman with boy
Woman with girl

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
LTD

Because someone does not have children does not mean they are irresponsible or uncaring. I think that was a sweeping generalisation.

I will however say this, my main concern in these cases is protection of inocent children.

The only way to ensure this, is to lock these guys up until they reach seventy years of age, when their "urges" disappear, irrespective of how long a sentence that works out to be.

Regards

Mick

Mick me old landlord, If you've ever been as far as London, or Birmingham, or Glasgow, or Cliverpool on your travels, you will 'TODAY' find little corners of innocent children like "The Dilly", or "Kings Cross", which are selling their sexual wares quite openly, and well below the legal age limit of consent. That is the whole point, many of these kids are legally under age, but 'innocent, they ain't John"

Fritz Von Now you can tell the world what terrible parents they have blame society, it never happens in Wiltshire, and hope the Gypsy Queenie don't put a curse on yer me old Andsome, innit Blame the Cops & The Tories I say I say I say Let's be avenue chaps

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If you do not have children, you don't know what responsibility means, and probably never will.

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Because someone does not have children does not mean they are irresponsible or uncaring. I think that was a sweeping generalisation.

Mick - With respect, I don't think you do understand what LTD means. He didn't say that.
If anything happened to my children, I don't think I could survive it. Being a parent is realisation that you are so vulnerable because previously you had nothing to lose that ever amounted to anything - but now you do, and it's frightening. It isn't explainable - it isn't possible to express it in words. If you don't know, then you just don't know.

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Originally posted by Rasher:
Being a parent is realisation that you are so vulnerable because previously you had nothing to lose that ever amounted to anything - but now you do, and it's frightening. It isn't explainable - it isn't possible to express it in words. If you don't know, then you just don't know.

Jeez, Rasher, I have 2 children and the last thing I feel is frightened - for them or for me. The chance of anything untoward happening (accidentally or criminally) is slight.

If you feel that way because of where you live, you should move.

What's all this obvious stuff got to do with Jonathon King then ? Absolutely nothing as far as I can see, innit.


Fritz Von It's only a thread afterall

I don't mean Nigel that I live in constant dread, but that it is frightening when you think about something happening. I'm not a complete wreck yet.

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
What's all this obvious stuff got to do with Jonathon King then ? Absolutely nothing as far as I can see, innit.

That's rich coming from you matey

Rasher

Thank you.

These two letters are from the current issue of Private Eye (1131) and I thought they might be of interest to certain members of this forum, innit ?

Toad in the hole

Sir,
I was delighted by your delicious comparison of myself and Kermit the Frog although I'm not so much green as prison grey. I also felt the description of me as "a revolting old toad" was one of the most accurate and flattering I've received in several years. Thank you so much for caring.

JONATHON KING

Via email.

( Just underneath)


Back to the closet

Sir,
Your piece on Jonathon King's legal adviser Giovanni di Stefano reminds me of my one encounter with King. Many years ago working on a music trade magazine, I happened to repeat a New Musical Express gossip item about King being seen gambolling with a young boy in the back of a limousine at the Crystal Palace Bowl during a concert. King happened to be friends with the publisher, and made a half-jokey threat of legal action, but obviouisly didn't want to pursue it for fear of further exposure. His arrogance on his recent release from prison proves he hasn't learnt anything - modesty, humanity, compassion - in the past quarter century.

As a queer myself, I am heartily tired of being associated with sleazy creatures like King. Why doesn't he just fuck off back into the closet?

JOHN GILL,

Andalucia, Spain.


Fritz Von A nice bit of balance I thought, talking of balance I've just ordered 'Hyperspace' By Michio Kaku which should keep me out of this world for awhile, innit

I wonder if he'll wote UKIP ?

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
I wonder if he'll wote UKIP ?

Dunno but I probably will

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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
Which is the more reprehensible in terms of sex with a minor:

Man with boy
Man with girl
Woman with boy
Woman with girl

Any of them are fairly bad, but man with boy is the more "illegal" (generally) as he's probably going to have the buggery charge on top - which is illegal full stop in the UK IIRC?

As for not knowing responsibility if you don't have kids - I disagree. How about people who routinely look after old people or disabled people?

...and parents DO have a lot to answer for too in some cases - if James Bulger was on reins, he'd be here now. Likewise, if his parents BOTHERED to keep an eye on him he'd be here now. How many times do you see small kids running around with the parents nowhere in sight? Admittedly, kids over, say, 4, are a LOT more awkward to keep tabs on, but by that age you can instil good common sense and practice in them, like road safety, and NOT talking to strangers with macs and sweeties.

dom

To blame the victim of crime, or his/her parents for contributory negligence (for want of a better term) is a bit off, if you don't mind me saying so.

"Sorry Mr. and Mrs. Bulger but your son being murdered was you fault" - you don't really think that do you?

Or Dumblane?

or Hungerford?