Where is MS Vista now?
Posted by: Bruce Woodhouse on 17 October 2008
My home PC needs to be upgraded, at 7 years old it is really beginning to chug. I need to use a machine at home for video-editing and it just cannot cope.
I run XP at home now. I read somewhere that Vista is now more stable and reliable, where initially most users were advised to stick with XP. I can still buy XP on a new PC but is it worth having Vista now? I don't run any particularly old or unusual programmes that might have compatability issues and in fact will be buying a new photo/video editing suite. my new PC should be bursting with speed and memory too.
(and no, I don't want a Mac!)
Bruce
I run XP at home now. I read somewhere that Vista is now more stable and reliable, where initially most users were advised to stick with XP. I can still buy XP on a new PC but is it worth having Vista now? I don't run any particularly old or unusual programmes that might have compatability issues and in fact will be buying a new photo/video editing suite. my new PC should be bursting with speed and memory too.
(and no, I don't want a Mac!)
Bruce
Posted on: 17 October 2008 by Colin Lorenson
Get a Mac 

Posted on: 17 October 2008 by Diccus62
Bruce
after initial teething problems and some of my kit not working with Vista (no drivers) the situation is fine these days. I find it very stable and rarely have any issues. Its also had a couple of updates (Service Packs) which again made it better.
After initially wanting to throw the machine in the river it is now part of the furniture.
Diccus
after initial teething problems and some of my kit not working with Vista (no drivers) the situation is fine these days. I find it very stable and rarely have any issues. Its also had a couple of updates (Service Packs) which again made it better.
After initially wanting to throw the machine in the river it is now part of the furniture.
Diccus
Posted on: 17 October 2008 by Bananahead
Vista is super stable. I don't know anyone who has problems with it. For me it is a must buy over XP.
Nigel
Nigel
Posted on: 17 October 2008 by Fraser Hadden
I've had Vista since Day 1. My machine was about 2 years old at this stage and my principal difficulty, my being too mean to upgrade, has been with speed.
A recent assessment reckoned that Vista with 4GB RAM behind it just about matched XP with 500MB RAM for speed.
If you buy a snorter of a machine, you should be fine. Vista is genuinely more stable. Note, though, that the 32-bit Vista can only use 3.3GB RAM no matter how much is in the box.
Fraser
A recent assessment reckoned that Vista with 4GB RAM behind it just about matched XP with 500MB RAM for speed.
If you buy a snorter of a machine, you should be fine. Vista is genuinely more stable. Note, though, that the 32-bit Vista can only use 3.3GB RAM no matter how much is in the box.
Fraser
Posted on: 17 October 2008 by tonym
Yep, I like Vista too. Now.
Incidentally Bruce, the Home Premium (and probably some of the other versions too) comes with "Windows Movie Maker", a very good video editing progam, thrown in.
Incidentally Bruce, the Home Premium (and probably some of the other versions too) comes with "Windows Movie Maker", a very good video editing progam, thrown in.
Posted on: 17 October 2008 by garyi
I have Vista running on my imac and for gaming its a lot better than XP.
Posted on: 17 October 2008 by JonR
According to a report I read the other day, Apple have got Vista to thank for helping their sales...
Posted on: 17 October 2008 by garyi
IMO Vista is all right, but it was just to late in coming for people who not being IT savvy have probably been through at least two worlds of hell reinstalling XP a couple of times. The idea of a bit of candy and a new install was too much.
Vista is of course a lot more than that but for your average user who makes up the majority of PC users Vista is one step too far.
And of course business, being slow has only really just got round to XP, sorted that world of hate out, why would they want to upgrade?
Vista is of course a lot more than that but for your average user who makes up the majority of PC users Vista is one step too far.
And of course business, being slow has only really just got round to XP, sorted that world of hate out, why would they want to upgrade?
Posted on: 20 October 2008 by Bruce Woodhouse
Posted on: 20 October 2008 by jon h
I had a loud laugh at latest apple advert
Posted on: 20 October 2008 by Sir Cycle Sexy
Hi Bruce,
Vista had early compatibility trouble and some facilities were missing but there never were any stability issues, just a bunch of non-Windows users who are doing what they are doing in this thread now - voicing their opinion that you should have what they have. Perhaps this bolsters their sense of self which they seem to have associated with a commercial brand, poor dears
You could find a local independent retailer and have them build something to your spec. To help track one down, Google knows about:
brigantia
nascr
pc association
fixitlocal
They'll sort it all out to your requirements and give good after sales care. To help you in advance I've typed a load of stuff below when really I should have been playing golf on PlayStation so I hope you're greatful.
Where I work we build for a designer whose company makes lots of videos (he's famous, years ago he drew cartoons for a legendary hi-fi magazine) and this is what he and I have learned:
Rendering performance responds well to quad core, Intel is favourite. 6MB to 8MB of cache RAM versions preferred as four cores will be sharing.
DDR3 RAM is too expensive for the benefit. Low latency 667MHz DDR2 will outperform cheap 800MHz DDR2. Getting on OK with Corsair, not so well with GEIL.
Low latency 800MHz RAM has really peaky current draw so put a good, high capacity power supply in. 800W or higher, Antec or Thermaltake are good.
It's going to get warm, use a good case. We like Antec and Lian Li. A cheap case will accentuate noise.
Pop a couple of hard drives in. For best speed render from one to the other. Partition to keep OS and data and paging separate. I prefer to keep my page file static at its largest size in its own partition as that way I don't need to defragment.
Stick a decent mainboard in, Intel chipset is preferred. Asus, Gigabyte and Intel boards are good.
Avoid 64 bit Vista this time around, compatibility will improve but only over time. 32 bit limits you to 4GB RAM (2^32 = 4GB) but that's sufficient.
Your video card is for games and scaling DVDs. Buying a big one won't affect rendering performance! Unless gaming, 256MB RAM is enough. The card RAM has to be mapped into the memory space and so eats away at your main 4GB, too much video card RAM is a bad thing.
If you really need to get the noise down Zalman do replacements for Intel's stock processor cooler and some neat hard drive coolers too. There are grommets you can fit to case exhaust fans to reduce cavitation and improve efficiency.
If attaching to the hi-fi, pop a Sound Blaster X-Fi card in. Together with the low noise PSU it will really groove, it's a surprisingly interesting and presentable sound. Download J River's Media Jukebox and configure for ASIO playback.
If instead you buy off the shelf, you won't get the same quality and you won't get another seven years.
C
(anorak to the bone!)
Vista had early compatibility trouble and some facilities were missing but there never were any stability issues, just a bunch of non-Windows users who are doing what they are doing in this thread now - voicing their opinion that you should have what they have. Perhaps this bolsters their sense of self which they seem to have associated with a commercial brand, poor dears

You could find a local independent retailer and have them build something to your spec. To help track one down, Google knows about:
brigantia
nascr
pc association
fixitlocal
They'll sort it all out to your requirements and give good after sales care. To help you in advance I've typed a load of stuff below when really I should have been playing golf on PlayStation so I hope you're greatful.
Where I work we build for a designer whose company makes lots of videos (he's famous, years ago he drew cartoons for a legendary hi-fi magazine) and this is what he and I have learned:
Rendering performance responds well to quad core, Intel is favourite. 6MB to 8MB of cache RAM versions preferred as four cores will be sharing.
DDR3 RAM is too expensive for the benefit. Low latency 667MHz DDR2 will outperform cheap 800MHz DDR2. Getting on OK with Corsair, not so well with GEIL.
Low latency 800MHz RAM has really peaky current draw so put a good, high capacity power supply in. 800W or higher, Antec or Thermaltake are good.
It's going to get warm, use a good case. We like Antec and Lian Li. A cheap case will accentuate noise.
Pop a couple of hard drives in. For best speed render from one to the other. Partition to keep OS and data and paging separate. I prefer to keep my page file static at its largest size in its own partition as that way I don't need to defragment.
Stick a decent mainboard in, Intel chipset is preferred. Asus, Gigabyte and Intel boards are good.
Avoid 64 bit Vista this time around, compatibility will improve but only over time. 32 bit limits you to 4GB RAM (2^32 = 4GB) but that's sufficient.
Your video card is for games and scaling DVDs. Buying a big one won't affect rendering performance! Unless gaming, 256MB RAM is enough. The card RAM has to be mapped into the memory space and so eats away at your main 4GB, too much video card RAM is a bad thing.
If you really need to get the noise down Zalman do replacements for Intel's stock processor cooler and some neat hard drive coolers too. There are grommets you can fit to case exhaust fans to reduce cavitation and improve efficiency.
If attaching to the hi-fi, pop a Sound Blaster X-Fi card in. Together with the low noise PSU it will really groove, it's a surprisingly interesting and presentable sound. Download J River's Media Jukebox and configure for ASIO playback.
If instead you buy off the shelf, you won't get the same quality and you won't get another seven years.
C
(anorak to the bone!)
Posted on: 20 October 2008 by PJT
Bruce,
The only caveat I have over VISTA is that it is very choosy around the device drivers it will load. If a specific device is not verified for vista usage you will be forever having problems getting any attached devices to work - either properly or at all.
Printers and scanners seem to be the main culprits.
The only caveat I have over VISTA is that it is very choosy around the device drivers it will load. If a specific device is not verified for vista usage you will be forever having problems getting any attached devices to work - either properly or at all.
Printers and scanners seem to be the main culprits.
Posted on: 21 October 2008 by Timbo
Well I bit the bullet this time and got myself a Mac Pro instead o a PC, the first time I've purchased a computer since about 1992 - I always used to build them and liked dual processors.
My Mac pro has 10gb ram, 2 x 3.2 gig processors, nvidia graphics driving 2 30 inch displays, couple of super drives and two 500gb hdds and beside being very stable and quick also runs Vista very nicely so that I can still use those windows based programs that I still need. Mac great for video editing and building web sites quickly and easily :-)
Tim
My Mac pro has 10gb ram, 2 x 3.2 gig processors, nvidia graphics driving 2 30 inch displays, couple of super drives and two 500gb hdds and beside being very stable and quick also runs Vista very nicely so that I can still use those windows based programs that I still need. Mac great for video editing and building web sites quickly and easily :-)
Tim
Posted on: 21 October 2008 by BigH47
Surrey schools have a problem as a lot of their software don't run on Vista, which is really helpful.