Edwin Fischer Plays Mozart

Posted by: u5227470736789439 on 05 August 2006

Dear Friends,

Today, I picked up three discs of Mozart piano concertos played by the real pioneer in the Twentieth Century in these workss, Edwin Fischer.

How can I say he was the pioneer? Really because the works were largely misunderstood, and most of these lovely concertos were hardly played at all.

Fischer established the Fischer Chamber Players with a view to perfoming Mozart, Bach, and Haydn on a scale that most of the music designed for, and then set about creating a style of performance that is still even in the oldest recording here, recognisably modern.

His musicological approach indeed was ahead of its time! With his own players (and sometimes with other other orchestras, he would direct from the keyboard though in these three discs containing (among a nice selection of sonatas and other solo piano music) five Mozart concertos, and one by Haydn, as well as the Concert Rondo in D KV 382, his own orchestra only appears twice in the Concerto No 17 in G, KV 453 and the Rondo mentioned aleady. He leads from the keyboard the LPO in the D Minor KV 466, and the VPO in the Haydn Concerto in D. Otherwise the orchestras are London based and the conducting is taken on by John Barbirolli in 22 in E flat, KV 482, Laurence Collingwood in 24 in C Minor, KV 491, and Joseph Kripps in 25 in C, KV 503.

There is a reason for this in that in each case the orchestra was unfamiliar with the music, which may sound amazing today! Naturally coming to from abroad to reccord in London would not allow the orchestra enough time to adequately rehearse in the unfamiliar position of being led from the keyboard, so Fischer would have the band rehearsed by a favourite conductor using a carefully marked score, so it was not guess-work what his intentions were, and a decision would be taken about whether it was best to have conductor at the session or not. This could go either way as Collingwood rehearsed the LPO in the D Minor Concereto as well as the C Minor, but only lead in the C Minor for the recording. This was due to the fact that the players knew the D Minor but not the C Minor, and this is in the mid thirties!

This may be of intetrest to those who wander about the practice of leading from the keyboard as Perahia and Barenboim have done in more recent times.

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So why the long pre-amble? I have to say that these are simply the most wonderful performances of these concerti I have ever encountered. The readings are conceived on a symphonic level, and these are true interppretations where every detail is characterised and placed in its context entirely according to the character of the piece, so that for example the D Minor is extemely classically straight, and yet has the flexibility to be very striking in its direct and tragic emotion. For once the little coda at the end of the Finale does not sound like a happy bit tacked on the end, but rather an almost defiant jesture in the face of tragedy, but all this is managed within a style that is pure, clear (in both style and conception), and has a total unity between soloist and band. I would say that this is not just my favourite performance of the music, but by a margin now! This is the oldest recording, from 1933, but it comes up rather well. No embarrassment to the original gramophone men working with AD Blumlein's new recording machines in Abbey Road!

No surface noise, and the mastering gets a very fine quality like the best of EMI's transfers from the original master material. All the other recordings are even more finely presented except the Wartime Vienna recording of the Haydn, which seems to have foxed the transfer engineers a bit! As recording it has caught the glowing VPO strings wonderfully, for all that, so I would guess that a little noise was better than ruining the basic sonority!

The C Minor is just as impressive as a reading as the D Minor, and has similar traits, but it is a bigger more complex piece. One place this concerto often falls apart is in the Finale, where Variation structure can become episodic. Not here, for sure! It is as if collingwood and Fischer were literally one mind! The LPO show that the winds in London had nothing to fear in comparison with any in the world! The strings are characteristically English, with rather spare use of vibrato which is varied, and actually seems closer to modern HIP style playing than modern chaber orchetral string playing since about 1950, but without the dogma of seemingly refusing to make a beautiful basic sound, or really phrasing flexibly and characterfully. Certainly the band don't seem to play this music as the strangers they mostly were to it! Wonderful. Absolutely ..... wonderful! [Deleted Expletive Smiley]!

I could go on, but I will post a link to the APR site, and hopefully some of you will have picked up on my enthusiasm and find these for yourselves!

Each piece is so wonderfully lithe (small or smallish orchestras are used in every case), on times strongly and really muscular and manly, but never beaten or hit. Never forced, and on times mysteriously deep as in the 22nd. Concerto, which surely the most complex of any of these. Barbirolli excels in this and again really there is one big conception at work here. For once it hangs together and remains truly compelling, but such are the musical challenges that it is always going to be a rarer piece than say No 21 in C (Elvira Madigan for those who know the film!) or the D Minor. Needless to say I could hardly conceieve of it going this well and last time I listened to the set (on 78s) in 1975, I was hardly mature enough to appreciate the magnitude of it success in bring out the music! It wasnot my favourite piece as a 13 years old!!

Perhaps the biggest surprise is Number 25 in C, which I have found can seem a bit grandiose. Not here. There is manly strength in abundance, and a determined flow that has nothing to do with rushing! Fantastic!!!!

Throughout the winds are forward and excelently played, as you would hope and expect, and their clear balance both with the piano (essntial in this music) and strings is a product of using small bamds. A naturally clear balance occurs when the forces themselves are properly balanced.

Again I have not been able to explain the emotional side. I can't actually. Like Walcha in Bach, this is indeed very special music making, but pin-pointing what it is that makes it so is impossible I would say. I cant advocate these performances too highly...

APR Apian Records

Good hunting from Fredrik
Posted on: 05 August 2006 by u5227470736789439
Apologies for the rash of classic Fredo-typos, above! Fredrik
Posted on: 06 August 2006 by pe-zulu
Dear Fredrik

Thank you for this very informative post. It is difficult for me to answer anything of interest, as I never have heard the bespoken recordings. I think I shall put the recording of nr. 20 on my wish list.
And thanks for the link to Apian Records, which I didn´t know. Interesting stuff in between.

Kindest regards, Poul
Posted on: 06 August 2006 by u5227470736789439
It is a long time since I did to any new record what I did to these three yesterday! I played all three head to tale three times! Then I started on the forth time, but went to sleep in seconds! I used to do that in LP days and would often play something three times in absolutely rapt ettention!

Today, among a more reasonably balanced selection including the second half of the Prom, I listened again to them.

They are staggering, but today I can definately think that the 17th Concerto is less beautifully recorded than the rest! The piano is actually too far back compared to the winds! This not quite serious as it is not lost in the balamce, but it may irk some people.

What is startling though is that Fischer was the most lovely player in Beethoven and even Brahms, there is no stylistic issue in Mozart that is worrying. Whoever he plays, and his Schubert readings are still not eclipsed, he not only gets inside the style of each composer, but also the individual piece. In some ways it seems hard almost to believe it is the same pianist in the direct and powerful tragedy of the D Minor Concert, as the one who performs the discursive, and in the slow movent sublimely beautiful music of the E flat Concerto, No 22. Then one comes to the grandeur, though never falling into grandiose here, world of the big C major Concert, No 25, and we find an almost Klemperer-like grip in it. In the Finale there is a place of exquisite beauty, which is often somewhat over played - a quiet conversation between winds and piano. With Fischer what we get is rather direct, hardly more than a tiny rhythmic inflection allowed, and all the more wonderful for all that!

This not Beethovenised or Romanticised Mozart, but something very special indeed. I suppose superficially it may be called romantic in concept some of the time, such as the handling of the 22nd Concerto, where he is quite happy to adopt tempo changes at moments of transition, but can the music really come off well without these? Like the Great C Major Symphony of Schubert I am not at all sure that it generally does, even though that how this Concerto is usually performed nowadays.

It seems clear, not just from these recordings, but his collaborations with Furtwangler (Emperor and B Flat of Brahms), and other soloists in the Triple Keyboard Concerto in C of old Bach, and so on, that he exerted a huge pull musically on those round him. He gets his collegues, and in his recordings this is a diverse group, to see it all in unity with his own view.

I suspect he must have been very pursuasive in life, and this drive and vision is obvious in the music making itself. This is not to say the music is driven at excess speed, though there are times when very fast basic tempi are chosen, but the playing is always clear, often very light in touch, but still strikingly masculine. Really it is impossible to imagine any present day player managing to combine such subtle flexibility of phrase and touch, with such a clear view of the whole piece. This is poetry hedged within a very clear and unsentimental architectural view of the whole work in question, which gets a deeply emotionally involving response from me at least.

Only in the 17th Concerto is this clarity less aparent, and this may be down to the recording favouring the piano too little.

My starting recomendation would be get all three, because on the first disc are two winners, 20 and 22, with the bonus of a lovely Rondo in D. The second has the finest performance (IMV) I have yet encountered on records of the C Minor Concerto (No 24), and by a some distance, while the third disc has such a brilliant, masculine, and srong reading of the Concerto No 25 in C (No 25), that it would make converts to the work. This last is the newest recording, done in 1947.

It is genuinely hard for me to criticise these performances, and the only issue may be, for some, the actual nature of the recordings which are absolutely clear rather than hifi. Except in the 17th, the balances are superb.

Goodness what a nice re-aquaintance! Fredrik
Posted on: 06 August 2006 by Tam
Dear Fredrik,

Wonderful post(s) - it's so wonderful when you find a disc you can't stop playing (please excuse the brevity of this reply).

regards, Tam
Posted on: 07 August 2006 by u5227470736789439
The d Minor has just gone on again! I can't get over it. The slow movement has nothing to do with episodic sections here, and even the quicker section (which is actually fast) takes the built up tensions in the quieter, slower, opening music and screws it up another notch, but it does not release when the slow music returns! How is that done? It only releases in the very very last bars of the movement. It becomes one span, made of three sections, where the architecture only underlines the extra-odinary strength and power of this music.

This is no routine music making. It stems from a wise and comprehending heart, who just happened to play the piano.

If anyone here can face immaculate transfers of rather historic recordings, you will be rewarded with some of the finest Mozart performances imaginable - no they are better than reasonable imagination would allow!

Fredrik
Posted on: 10 August 2006 by u5227470736789439
These recordings will just not lie down and find a place away from the top of the pile.

There are four really grand readings here; No 20 in D Minor, No 22 in E flat, No 24 in C Minor, and No 25 in C.

I cannot think of any readings I know of these four I would prefer. I am staggered actually. Fischer had a great reputation, and I knew these recordings as a youngster. I prefered the 17th Concerto to all the rest, and sadly I cannot quite maintain this view, but the others are far different to my recolections of them, except the D Minor which I eventually got a 78 set of, and worn it out so much that the shellac sides went grey from being grooved out.

Yes this the kind of Mozart playing for me. It is both manly, and also extremely subtle. To explain this blend is beyond words.

All the best from Fredrik
Posted on: 13 August 2006 by Tam
Dear Fredrik,

As I was browsing in HMV the other day (buying a gift for someone), I came across a series of nicely packaged 4 disc boxes of vintage recordings of various artists at a £5 a go. One of them was Fischer (and includes the 24th and 25th concertos) so I can't wait to give them a listen (I have already listend to the bits it has of his Well tempered from the 30s which is lovely).

I also picked up the Celi box (after Graham's advocacy - so that will be interesting).

regards, Tam
Posted on: 13 August 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Tam,

That old set of the 48 with Fischer is really lovely. Enjoy it. ATB from Fredrik
Posted on: 13 August 2006 by Tam
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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Dear Tam,

That old set of the 48 with Fischer is really lovely. Enjoy it. ATB from Fredrik


Sadly (very annoyingly) while the set is otherwise complete works (a bach concerto, some Mozart and Beethoven sonatas, the Brahms second with Furtwangler and the BPO), from the well tempered it is merely exerts - 7 or 8 pairs of preludes and fugues. Still, at that price one cannot complain too much.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 13 August 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear tam, Email sent. Fredrik
Posted on: 13 August 2006 by Tam
Thanks. And vice versa (though have just thought of an intersting post script, but I will try to write it another time since I must get some sleep before I have to go to work in the morning).

regards, Tam
Posted on: 12 September 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Friends,

With the termoil of moving and without a break from work either, one turns musically to old favourites, naturally enough.

But never far from the top has the D minor concerto of Mozart (NO 20, KV 466) as in fischer's HMV recording which this thread is partly about.

Half an hour, at least till last unday has been the longest concentrated listening I have done for weeks. And this concerto has taken me each time I played it over.

The performance strike me after all this exposure (and I did ruin a set of 78s of it in the early eighties as well!) as beyond criticism. Fischer is a very subtle player, but essentially also very masculine, as perhaps is the playing of the vinna Phil in a different context. Toatlly reasuring in the context of a great deal of change in more than one area.

The performance, as I hinted earlier, is by no means easy, but faces off the trgady majesterially. No finer compliment is possible!

Someone please investigate ths and get back. It is too fine to miss.

ATB from Fredrik
Posted on: 12 September 2006 by u5227470736789439
Please accept my apologies for an an unedited post above, with my ususal first-draft number of typo-disasters. I always correct straight off, but one of my collegues called by on the way to work to collect his lady, and we shared two tiny nips of Vodka to bring luck to this house, so the correction went west! Actually the house warming is likely to be Satrurday lunchtime till ->... [Good Gwief Smiley (sic)]!

ATB from Fredrik
Posted on: 17 September 2006 by Alexander
Okay, that's it! From now on, the connexion between abundant typos and having a good time will be hardwired in my brain Winker
Posted on: 20 September 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Alex,

The correlation is not perfect, but often not far off either.

I just dug out this again, and I really cannot get over it ever after so many careful listenings. I need a holiday...

Fredrik
Posted on: 20 September 2006 by Big Brother
I used to have some of the Fischer Mozart's you mention on two Angel Great Recordings of the Century Lp's issued in the 1960's. They were very fine performances indeed ! Still kicking myself for having sold the set.

Regards, Big Brother
Posted on: 01 October 2006 by Tam
Dear Fredrik,

I have just been enjoying a rather fine reading of the 24th concerto from Fischer with the LPO under Collingwood - indeed I would be tempted to say it was one of the finest I have heard. The sound was remarkably fine too - I was astonished to look at the CD case after and discover it was done in 1937. Next up, the 25th with Krips and the Philharmonia.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 01 October 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Tam,

With all the nonesense that is flying round me at the moment, I have been playing safe with known and loved music. I find that spelendid old E Flat Colingwood and Fischer collaboration quite the most comforting musical armchhair I know! I listened to it last evening with the aid of my newly loaned veteran CDI last night, and duly completely ignored the considerable qualities the old player offered, such is the entrancing way this most wonderful, complex, and variagated of concerti is played. Not a hint of self-consciousness here in the playing, but just full on playing, that is manly, and delicate, and subtle all at the same time!

I am so glad you have found these performances. The more decorous C Major concerto with Krips is duly characterised without a hint of sentimentality or false romanticismus, but huge strength and regard for the musical message which for once in this rather surface-heavy concerto seems to have no surface at all! Just a huge, knock out, emotional clout, and at that one which mingles stoicism with determination, rather than simple unalloyed joy. All this is managed without pulling the music about at all. It is rather straight at crucial moments, which is a surprise as Fischer was certainly a romantic in outlook and as a teacher, but not always as a performer in my view.

Great listening to you Tam, from Fredrik
Posted on: 01 October 2006 by Tam
Dear Fredrik,

If anything, I think the 25th was even finer. I don't know quite how I'd describe it, save perhaps to suggest that he brings to the work the same sorts of qualities that make Solomon's Emperor concerto so appealing to me. Certainly it surpasses the likes of Brendel/Mackerras (as, as you well know, praise does not come much higher than that from me!).

Suffice to say, that since these are the only two mozart concerti in this box, I shall soon be seeking out some others.


On a related note, the box also contains the Emperor with Furtwangler and the Phiharmonia (annoying, since I already have this recording, indeed, you gave me the disc). So, since there is no point having two, if anyone would like the disc as a gift they are welcome to it.


regards, Tam
Posted on: 01 October 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Tam,

Apologies for my moment of confusion above: I though you were talking about 22 in E flat, not 24 in C Minor! Well both Fischer readings are my favourite recordings, so never mind, but the reading of 25 in C Major may very well be viewed as the most remarkable of them all. It is not a concerto I used to warm to so very much, but it makes perfect sense in Fischer's reading!

Just like the Second Beethoven Concerto in B Flat makes perfect sense in the hands of Solomon, and yet I have never much liked it before encountering his reading!

What I do find though is that all other readings seem to make more sense afterwards! So Solomon and Fischer are real musical saviors for me!

Fredrik