Fertility Rates and The Recession
Posted by: winkyincanada on 28 January 2009
Has anybody seen any data on how fertility rates in developed societies have responded to the recession? To me, it seems likely that a lot of people would defer starting/expanding their families due to fears around job security and general economic malaise.
If this happens in any significant way, I think it plausible that the children who ARE born in periods of these abnormally low birthrates might have a competitive advantage in the future (in a limited sense). Class sizes at schools might be smaller for them, competition for university places might be easier and competition for jobs might be less. Education costs might be lower allowing their parents o send them to better schools/universities. This might give them a kick-start that results in them achieving more (again, in a limited sense - it isn't all about jobs/wealth and money, I know). They might end up with a bigger slice of the pie, mainly because their are fewer of them to squabble over it.
The hypothesis is that it might actualy a GOOD time to reproduce in the same way that it MIGHT be a good time to invest in the markets (wait for it, wait for it.....).
Just some random musings...
Posted on: 28 January 2009 by BigH47
Of course if they can't afford to go out more "little accidents" may occur, if they spend more time occupying themselves with sex.
A side effect of recession,is that state school class numbers increase as kids are removed from private schools, when the cost get too much.
Posted on: 28 January 2009 by winkyincanada
Your first point is an excellent one. I'm too old to really recall how that might work, though...
With respect to the private/public school argument though; the relative cost of private schools may stay about the same. Reduced demand for places forces them to lower their fees (theoretically) so they stay affordable enough for them to be filled. Alternatively, the number of places in private schools reduces proprtionately and fees stay high. If this happens there are more (good?) teachers available to the public system and the eductaion quality might rise.
Posted on: 01 February 2009 by u5227470736789439
Smaller private schools have been closing in greater numbers than new ones have been opening, in the UK.
Private schools are mostly not well off, and often quite close to making no profit at all.
There is not a lot of fat to cut in terms of lowering fees, so more will close over time and the trend of reduceing numbers is likely to accelerate: Therefore the state school sector is likely to have more pupils in future who would have perhaps gone to private fee charging schools if we were living in more economically optimistic times.
ATB from George
Posted on: 01 February 2009 by winkyincanada
Interesting. I always made the naive assumption that private schools were wealthy. Even if there is a reduction in the number of schools, quality teachers may still be more availabile to children of a "small generation".
Posted on: 01 February 2009 by u5227470736789439
Dear Winky,
I still have a great friendship with the wife [now well into her eighties] of my Prep School Headmaster, who died some years ago now. The school closed as part of the current trend ...
Rates of pay for teachers have never been so very generous in all but the very most expensive private schools, and rather than teachers taking pay cuts even further, they tend to take their expertise to other areas.
There is not a pool of desperate teachers who will teach for even less in very small classes.
Perhaps the passing of many of these smaller private schools is not to be bemoaned. In reality they turned out people who are ill-fitted for the modern grab everything you can along the way kind of world that we have been living in since the nineteen eighties. They taught manners, self-reliance, respect for others, but often their accademic standards were no better than good state sector schools, as the focus was on preparing young men to fill the shoes of their fathers in small businesses.
The world has moved on from that slightly cozy, pre-globalised situation.
What is needed to compete in that open situation is no more being provided by the state sector than the private, but at least in the state sector the parents can sometimes afford to have extra tuition to guarantee that their children get good enough results to gain places in Univerity, which itself has become the main spring board for higher earning capacity, rather than necessarily the gentler human qualities that once characterised small business.
The world has changed, and some of us, educated in the old style find ourselves very much left behind in this change.
ATB from George
Posted on: 02 February 2009 by Space Bunny
I would venture that fertility rates stay the same, maybe birth rates go up or down....
Posted on: 02 February 2009 by Bob McC
There are plenty of examples in nature where fertility rates vary with population density.
Posted on: 02 February 2009 by Wolf2
I remember a big black out in New York in the 60s or 70s, people had nothing to do for 24 hours, 9 months later there was a baby boom.
I can see in a few years time instead of headlines that there are too few school rooms there will be too many not filled.