Speeding On The M4 In Wiltshire !!!!

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-
Do non-chavs actually chip their cars to any great extent?

Do chavs actually chip their cards to any great extent? Given that under all the bling their cards are usually small engined saxo's and the like there would be bugger all point.

I occasionally see these dinky little cars having the guts revved out of them but the noise v go ratio is always biased towards the noise and I've yet to see one which is actually any quicker than standard (e.g. pretty damn slow).

Steve,
You are right re the illegality of failing to declare the modification on obtaining insurance, as well as using such a vehicle on a road with insurance granted falsely. I am not sure that modifying the engine in the way discussed would affect its type approval (e.g. whether its a car or not).

Re racist. You are not being racist, but you are being stereotypical and predjudiced, by tarring them all with the same brush. This thread started re the lack of discretion afforded by speed camera's. What you may be suggesting is the same in reality. Just my crap as usual personal opinion tho...

andy c!

Lucky that guy in the motor was seen carrying a firearm in London recenztly, otherwise it might have been a touch problematic for the cops to explain why they shot him did, innit.



Fritz Von Shooters ill wunnit ?

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:

Do non-chavs actually chip their cars to any great extent?

Yes. Particularly for oil burners, chips are cheap, quick and effective. In the majority of cases they can be removed without trace if necessary. It would of course be prudent to mention such an installation to the insurance company - I'd be surprised if many do.

It's not always a question of just forking out for a more powerful car. Something like a BMW 330 or 535 (to name but two off the top) are plenty good enough - but the small additional outlay for another 20-50-bhp is too tempting for some. personaly I'd be inclined to leave well alone. But each to their own.

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Lucky that guy in the motor was seen carrying a firearm in London recenztly, otherwise it might have been a touch problematic for the cops to explain why they shot him did, innit.

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Originally posted by andy c:

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Lucky that guy in the motor was seen carrying a firearm in London recenztly, otherwise it might have been a touch problematic for the cops to explain why they shot him did, innit.

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Now Forrest are in the second division it probably takes the news a bit longer to travel mate, innit.


Fritz Von Callin Norf England Are you there ? Come in Z Victor 2

Fritz,

The question was do you actually understand what you are implying, or was it another gag?

andy c!

I'm not implying anything, I'm stating it ! If they didn't see a gun, and in fact a gun didn't exist (as has happened before) they're gonna be in a lot of shit, nothing mysterious about it me old dodger.


Fritz Von Implicating Cowboys


N.B:, Just to add to the above so you don't missread me, I have no problem whatsover in the police shooting men with 'firearms' after being warned etc. I don't even have a problem with them shooting when it turns out they're not real weapons, as they obviously ? can't know that (hopefully) before hand. What I do have a concern with though is the way these men are charged with intending to endanger life (by the Court) when It's known they are imitation & Blank shooters, easily available in any store, as we've touched upon before.

Fritz von The intelligence or stupidity of the accused is irellavent I feel

Fritz,
Fair point.

I would think that they will have been briefed, and due to their training be well aware of the implications and consequences of a need to shoot.

andy c!

Saw the maddest bit of driving in ages this morning. A traffic police car was going round the inside of a roundabout as if to turn off onto the far right exit (no indicators were being used though so it's difficult to be sure) when the driver suddenly decided to veer across the lanes and back to take the exit he'd just passed.

He switched the flashing lights on just after doing it so I assume he'd had a call. Lapping the roundabout would have cost him a couple of seconds and best, but instead he did something stupid and dangerous (something he'd undoubtedly have booked another driver for). He was very lucky that the driver of the car behind him was alert or there would have been a crash.

That's now up to all 3 of the stupidest driving incidents I've seen in the last 12 months have been done by traffic police car drivers. Given I rarely see traffic police cars is that an indication of just how bad & arrogant their driving is?

more do as i say...........

A councillor who championed road safety has been caught drink-driving.
Andy Gregory (49) of Park Lane, Southwell, appeared before Newark magistrates on Monday, when he admitted driving with excess alcohol.
He was fined £300, ordered to pay £34 costs and banned for a year, which will be reduced by three months if he completes a course.
The court heard Gregory was followed by Pc Mark McTiernan after leaving The Reindeer Inn, Westgate, Southwell at 11pm on April 20.
He visited the pub on his way home to his wife, who is eight months pregnant, after a meeting of Southwell Town Council.
Pc McTiernan stopped Gregory on Church Street after he failed to indicate and because he was driving over-cautiously.
Involved He smelt alcohol on his breath and a test found Gregory had 55mg of alcohol in 100ml of his breath, the legal limit being 35mg.
Mr Julian Bruce, defending, said Gregory felt he could no longer be involved with the community speed check campaign, launched earlier this month.
Under the scheme, volunteers use speed guns to catch speeders, who receive police warnings.
Mr Gregory was the co-ordinator in Southwell. Mr Bruce said Gregory hoped his position on Southwell Town council would be safe.
Mr Bruce told the court that as long as there was a limit to drink and drive, people would make errors.
He said Gregory would travel to Cottam Power Station near Retford, where he is an office manager, thanks to the help of a friend.

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I have had occasion to work with Police firearms teams: from what I have seen of them they take their duties and responsibilities very seriously indeed.

absolutely!

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Given I rarely see traffic police cars is that an indication of just how bad & arrogant their driving is?

On this occasion, yes! Realistically it's three times too much, isn't it?

andy c!

That reminds me whils't years ago (still living in London) I did 18 months Missionary Work far from home, and the drivers were absolute lunatics there, it was really amazing that anybody survived crossing the road on a regular basis, never mind police actually policing anything, so we must really count ourselves very lucky sometimes, innit.

Fritz Von Humbled By Poverty & Hunger

Lumme

Fritz in the missionary position ..........

Argh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fair comment & game for joking; but I really wasn't there in any religious capacity, and the poor bastards were pathetic to put it mildly, and I'm pleased that I've at least done something useful in my life, not a lot, but something, innit.

Fritz Von Before you accuse me

Just to reitterate from the election thread, I personally (as mentioned often on here) have no formal academic qualifications whatso'ever, and have still been knocked back from some jobs through "in their eyes" being over qualified, so that gives an idea of the scope I have to play with, innit.

Fritz Von Maybe I should become a freelance
motorway speed cameraman ?

Mind you after thinking about it, if there are no real jobs emerging on the horizon here, I may well go back to the old 'Missionary' Work (I've learnt a bit in between) and having recently been in contact with my old muckers over there, it seems they're still very desperate for any help they can get, so that's always an option I suppose, what with being single and all that, innit?

Looks like I'm gonna have to apply afterall !


SCOTLAND HERE I COME



Fritz Von Come here Son, here's an apple, an apple, an apple

From Telegraph Motoring ... be afraid

Reality vs perception
(Filed: 07/05/2005)

You don't need to drive a sports car to find yourself in trouble with the law, says Austin Williams

Drive a bright yellow sports car or a snazzy, high-performance motorbike and you'll undoubtedly get stares, but you shouldn't be pestered by the authorities, should you? Well, you (and a number of other categories of motorist) might be if the police use their latest powers to the utmost. In fact, based on the accusation of a single individual, you could find yourself as a defendant in court proving your innocence before a charge of anti-social driving.

The Serious Organised Crime and Police Bill, unlike the Road Safety Bill (see Motoring, April 30), didn't fail the pre-election wash-up process and last month was given a rubber stamp, with a few House of Lords amendments and without the much-publicised offence of incitement to racial hatred.

Apart from setting up the FBI-style Serious Organised Crime Agency, the Act also gives the authorities powers to stop motorists and forcibly take their fingerprints using new portable technology being tested in Northamptonshire. Like that illiberal old 1990s saw, "If you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear", here the counter-argument is that if you are against it, you are giving succour to terrorists. Indeed, as retinal scans are now commonplace at airports, who can object to a measly fingerprint?

But the question of who decides what activity is criminal was never addressed, and now we seem to have lost sight of that argument. Besides, civil liberties concerns are regularly brushed aside these days, especially in the transport sector, where motorists will swallow anything.

The Department for Transport boasts that Operation Laser demonstrated the value of automatic number-plate recognition. This technology, which has been funded from fixed-penalty revenue, "will enable officers in equipped vehicles to identify any vehicles of interest". So what, exactly, is a "vehicle of interest"?

Well, the Home Office, in its latest Roads Policing Strategy, talks of vehicles that are driven in an anti-social manner. Before you breathe a sigh of relief that this couldn't possibly mean you, it is worth noting that it ranges from undisciplined lane behaviour and verbal abuse to "generally threatening driving and riding". This new category of driving will attract police interest and extends the classification of errant behaviour beyond the standard list of dangerous, careless or erratic driving.

Have you ever sworn at a fellow knight of the road? Was this a stressed-out symptom of driving life, or latent, violent road rage? It won't necessarily be up to you to decide, given that criminal sanction arises from a perception of events, rather than the reality of the situation.

The Association of Chief Police Officers has just established a Road Policing Intelligence Forum, which notes that "bad driving, even where not leading to a collision, is threatening and intimidating to other drivers". It is sufficient that this threat is merely perceived by the self-proclaimed victim. The targeted individual will have to prove his or her innocence.

But given that ACPO states that "vulnerable and disadvantaged people particularly need proactive road policing", victims will have moral authority and superior believability. You'd hardly think, given the hype, that being a victim of crime is now less likely than at any time since the British Crime Survey began in 1981.

The Home Office document sees the overall objective as delivering "the target of 1.25 million offences brought to justice by 2007-08". But given that "bringing someone to justice" now includes cautions, penalty notices, TIC (supplementary offences taken into consideration), formal warnings and reprimands, the target culture of the police could see many erstwhile law-abiding citizens reported in the statistics. The new National Policing Plan states that when these once law-abiding motorists have been identified as perpetrators, "we must ensure that criminals are denied the use of our roads".

We can only imagine what this means. While we might nod when some chav is barred from driving, his licence revoked and his car crushed, we should be aware that the same state powers are waiting to be used on less obvious targets. Rights, as they used to say in the old days, are universal, which means that an assault on one person, however much we might not like that individual, is an assault on us all.

Recognising this, the authorities are clamouring to respect diversity and appear even-handed (the new policing plan has removed the reference to the Evangelical Alliance as one of the key stakeholders mentioned in the previous one). But more importantly, the police have adopted a more community-centred approach to criminality, which can only exacerbate the problem.

"Target setting," says the Home Office, "should ideally be a bottom-up process so that communities have local ownership of targets." This implies that locals can determine who should be targeted. If you've recently upset your neighbour, look out for police stopping you to inspect your tyre treads. If your leylandii are upsetting the local busybody, prepare for an early-morning breath test.

If you think all this is a bit of an over-reaction, you should be aware that, apart from animal-rights protesters, the only other cause worthy of direct mention in the 2005 policing plan is set out in clause 3.51, which states "Forces should prepare for the implementation of the Hunting Act". Sounds ominous? Not a bit of it. As they say, if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear...

. Austin Williams is chairman of the Transport Research Group.

I have read posts on a cycling forum where US members use their mobile phones to report bad examples of driving to the local police.
If they get cut up on their bikes they simply make an immediate "possible drugs or drink driving" numberplate report. Some members keep the local traffic police number at the ready on their phones!
One would imagine a repeated call from the public would produce a home visit or a warning to a nearby patrol car.

Nime

Then the cyclist and or driver report each other in one of those his word against your word things and you end up on the "of interest" databases?

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Originally posted by Martin D:
Then the cyclist and or driver report each other in one of those his word against your word things and you end up on the "of interest" databases?

A bit like ebay?

I know Stokes Bay !!!

even more do as i say bullshit

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1612948,00.html

So this is this what they mean by: "being overqualified for the job"?