Speeding On The M4 In Wiltshire !!!!

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Originally posted by andy c:

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He'll get tranferred and promoted as you well know mate.

the 1st bits right, but if he gets disciplined the 2nd bits a bit out....

andy c! von fencing with sharp as a tac fritz
von quick reply LOL

Sorry, you could well be right there Chief ?


I was thinking of HM Forces

Steven

You forget (conveniently?) the fourth way: that people choose to break speed limits and then try to rationalise their actions.

Nigel,
Mmm, nice point...

andy c!

Andy c von if yer in a rush, don't be - just leave earlier!

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Andy c von if yer in a rush, don't be - just leave earlier!

And earlier and earlier and earlier...

As a taxi driver this means in terms of fares:

Fewer and fewer and fewer.

As time passes yet another road has its speed limits cut and the new limit is subsequently enforced by cameras. This results in ever increasing journey times with no gains through reductions in accidents.

When I studied geography in the late eighties I remember was a mathematical formula (although I can't remember exactly what it was) to measure progress through reduced journey times over time, i.e: from the Industrial Revolution until the present day.

Little did I know that from about 1995 onwards this progress would be halted and sent into decline.

Furthermore I was aware that the annual death toll on British roads had been falling steadily since 1965. Little did I know that this trend would be halted and actually reversed.

If I am permitted drive from here to Glasgow up the M6/M74 motorways at the speed I consider safe (speeds that are considered legally safe in some other EU states - between 80 and 85 mph up as far as Lancaster and then 90 to 95 on the quieter stretches of M6/M74 from Cumbria and beyond) I can complete the journey in about 3 hours 30 minutes non-stop. I feel refreshed at the end of my journey provided I've had a full 8 hours' sleep beforehand.

Motorways were originally designed and built to be used exclusively by motor vehicles all travelling in the same direction and at speeds well above 70 mph...

If I drive at or below 70 mph I either have to leave earlier, meaning I get less sleep before I set off, miss lunch or I arrive later hitting the rush hour traffic. The journey length is increased by an hour meaning I then have to take a break during what becomes a five hour journey. My levels of concentration are likely to drop (if only slightly) at 70 mph as I would prefer to travel at higher speeds that will stimulate my levels of awareness. (I am the best judge as to the optimum speed to stimulate my awareness levels without placing myself under undue stress.) At the end of the journey I feel tired.

Where is the sense in that?

Where is the sense in placing mobile cameras on the quieter/faster/safer stretches of M6/M74 before putting them where the traffic is more dense and accidents more frequent?

This is perhaps not as outrageous as placing scamera vans on the M4 as the traffic volumes are generally not high enough in Cumbra/Scottish Borders for such speed enforcement to cause bunching of traffic travelling bumper-to-bumper at 67 mph.

Such enforcement is tantamount to a reduction in the speed limit as for many years (as Mick himself would admit) there has been an unofficial limit on our free-flowing motorways of 85 mph, and any experienced traffic police officer will more than happily explain the SAFETY reasons behind permitting traffic to travel at speeds of up to 85 mph without risk of being penalised.

Nigel,

There is a lot of rationalisation taking place in the name of safety to justify speed cameras enforcing arbitrary limits set for political reasons - that don't actually save any lives, in order to keep raking in the cash and make driving as unpleasant as possible.

I guess the answer would be to take the train or fly to Glasgow - i.e: yield to the pressures of phase shift.

I'd rather drive thanks.

I'd like to see speed limits raised and variable limits introduced where appropriate. We have the technology for this so why not use it? 20mph outside schools for an hour in the morning and an hour in the afternoon, or 60 mph limits or lower in poor weather conditions on motorways, for example, would be fine by me.

When the limits are fairly set (by road engineers and not politicians) I'll have no problem whatsoever with the issue of strict enforcement thereof.

Revenue and phase shift should play no part whatsoever in the setting of speed limits.

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Revenue and phase shift should play no part whatsoever in the setting of speed limits.

I agree,

Re the leave earlier comment, I was half joking.
All i will say is its always everyone else's fault... isn't it.

I give up now on this thread - I agree with Fritz on this - if we cam point to the placement of a particular camera to reduce crashes and I has done so, then I'm all for it. But drivers need to ack responsibly too, and thats where it gets personal.

Also, you have to ask yourself how high up on the enforcement chain this is when cops don't do speed enforcement now as a matter of course - they ain't got bloody time to round where I live!

andy c!

andy c!

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I give up now on this thread - I agree with Fritz on this - if we cam point to the placement of a particular camera to reduce crashes and I has done so, then I'm all for it.

Me too.

Don't be Daft, nobody agrees with Frötz, innit

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005230510,00.html

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
Don't be Daft, nobody agrees with Frötz, innit

You are absolutely right Fritz, nobody agrees with you, innit!

bjornevondamithinkijustagreedwithfrötz

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Nobody likes hypocrisy and we would all prefer to be led by example - hence the outrage at a copper doing 84 in a 30, 159 in a 70 etc.

There are rumours starting to circulate that the policeman involved in the 159 mph episode may have been a member of "the funny handshake mob".

In which case it may be that the job as a traffic cop isn't above the law but soemthing else maybe!

Regards


PB

I've been hearing even stranger rumours; in that he actually wasn't a member, I tried Our Mick's office, but he can't say too much at this stage, as he's stuck in a tunnel with his flat batteried laptop, and a filofax covered in Tizer stains

Since the announcement of these life saving measures on the M4 I haven’t seen a single instance of The All Seeing Eye (although I don’t drive that stretch every single day). Speeds have gradually increased and an increasing proportion of lane 3 users are giving it full bananas. So I guess when the vans magically appear one morning they’re going to generate a bumper jackpot. I think it’s had a downward effect on average speed and it’s also noticeable that when clearing the death zone, most people don’t tend to speed up – assuming we’re not all stood still at Reading, which is the norm.

Watching the local Berlin news last night before I went AWOL I was intersted BIG STYLE in a Police action to stop crazy cyclists in this bike lane dream of a City. One Cop asked a young lad 13/15 who she'd stopped (on camera) why he had no lights, etc, etc, and promptly gave hiom a € 50 ticket. The kid did JUST NOT give a momkey's, and said my Dad will pay it, and I'll do the same ammorra, fuckin mind blowin, next came a guy with a camping gas thingy on his back (tied on) driving on the wróng side etc (had a beer too I reckon )Hey, I ain't no angel, but thois was an adult (with Driving license) and on the wrong side of brilliantly marked cycle lane. People were interviewed in the street (plus the Cops giving straight & honest on the spot answers) which one rarely sees in UK and most were (strangely enough) on the cyclists side ?

Fritz Von Two nights ago a 54 year old lady was critically injured after being hit by a speeding biker (who veered off of the bike lane due to a car door opening and a twat walking straight in front of him without looking first, she's probably goona snuff it, nuff said from the world of perfect bike lanes and rules & regs

Welcome to the Tayside Speed Camera Conspiracy website. Here you can find information about the Conspiracy, our latest press releases, some completely invented facts and figures, and - hidden away - you'll find details of the true fraud that has been perpetrated on the British people.

The Tayside Speed Camera Conspiracy (TSCC) was launched in July 2003 with the aim of creating a huge, non-productive empire by making speeding the only traffic offence and then criminalising every driver in Tayside. It will do this by clearly concealing the real causes of road accidents, and through the use of speed cameras situated in locations where there is a proven ability to maximise fines.

Following the great propaganda and financial success of eight pilot projects around the UK, the government invited other conspirators to participate in the creation of a nationwide fraud. As a result, the TSCC was lauched.

According to figures released in 2003, there were 37 deaths, 286 serious injuries, and more than 1000 minor injuries as a result of collisions on the roads of Tayside. In the following year, there were even more deaths (a pattern which was successfully repeated across Britain). While the cost in terms of time and resources to the emergency services and the NHS is significant, both this and the human cost - the trauma, grief and pain caused as a result of a collision - are practically irrelevant when compared with the fines raised from speed cameras, and the empire-building afforded by them.

Research has shown a direct link between speed limits and speeding fines, and government estimates based on extensive conversations down the pub have shown conclusively that a speed limit reduction of only 1% will lead to a 20% increase in speeding fines. (Source, Tea-leaf Reading Laboratory, Department of Fingers-in-the-air, c/o Crown and Anchor, 1902, 1937, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000)

Brilliant from here

Our Mick wont like this I feel !

And for anyone in Notts:

TOP 10 MOST PROFITABLE CAMERAS IN NOTTS
A610 Bobbersmill
A1 Elkesley
A60 South, Nottingham
A6004 Castle Boulevard/Abbey Bridge
A60 Woodhouse Road, Mansfield
A6514 Nottingham Ring Road
A52 Clifton Boulevard
A52 Middleton Boulevard
A611 Hucknall Road, Nottingham
A1 East Markham

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Our Mick wont like this I feel !

oh well, bless him

A single speed camera in Nottinghamshire has caught almost 76,000 motorists in five years.
The camera, on the A610, has caught almost a third of the speeding drivers in the county and has resulted in £4.2m in fines.

from da beeb

Facts and Figures
In the last year, 37 people died, 286 suffered a serious injury and more than 1000 were injured in accidents on Tayside's roads. (Source: Chief Constable's annual performance report.)

And, that's about it for the facts! We've got guesses and suppositions coming out of every leaky sphincter, but the fact is, we have no idea how to make the roads safer, we can't predict where or to whom the accidents will occur, and we don't even have an official register of accident blackspots!

But, we're not standing around doing nothing! We're nicking speeders. Even though we know it will have no measurable effect on accidents and death, it does have these advantages:

It's easy to measure - just stick up a camera or two.
It's cheap to prosecute - normal legal principles (of liability, of innocence until proven guilty, and of the right to see evidence) have been suspended
Every flash is a detection and a conviction in one. We can get our clear-up rates from around 10% to around 90% without actually chasing a single burglar!

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It's cheap to prosecute - normal legal principles (of liability, of innocence until proven guilty, and of the right to see evidence) have been suspended

Get yer facts right - you are entitled to go to court re this just as much as owt else. Do you know about the rules of evidence regarding speeding offences?

andy c!

PS - these sites are well publicised locally - so why do they get so many folk speeding (don't throw back at me that people don't know about it or the speed limit - I reckon we have done that to death!)

Oh, Mike, forgot something...

Why do you equate speeding with Burglary?

andy c!

Cos he nicked der motor John

Fritz

Typical,
someone comes and makes a comment, and when yer want to challenge it, they don't reply!

Andy
going to court isnt the same as innocent until proven guilty