Speeding On The M4 In Wiltshire !!!!

I have something controversial to suggest, Fritz.
Why not make it a serious offence to driver w/out doc's, make it imprisonable, set out a ten year plan to make this work, and then when insurance policies come down as less and less people have to use the MIB etc, people then would have the funds to pay for the road charges...

Lower insurance = more dosh available to pay council tax for prisons = less crime etc etc.

Nah, never work cos its too logical...

Sorry Old Chap, No time for controversy at the moment, I'm too busy making plans with my friend George to invade Iran (in a humanitarian capacity you understand)


T.B. or not T.B. ?

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
being stationary (irrespective of cause)for longer than five minutes will constitute illegal parking and you will be clamped by our new Community Safety Officers. The standard £850 fine...

Noooo - you've gone and done it this time Berlin. No doubt this will filter through to the (twilight) zone in which Starling & Ladybird can be found to inhabit. Probably Tuesday this will be announced as policy.

Phritz actually hit the nail on the head.
Sitting still with the engine running one's MPG figure goes exponential. This must mean that the CO2 coming from one car is enough to go twice round the planet!

and the government obtains a greater fuel tax revenue for a reduced road wear and tear - so win win for the parasitic government and the lose lose for the punter who is losing time and money

Don't you just love the evil officers of government both local and central.

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:

Don't you just love the evil officers of government both local and central.

I think "love" is putting it rather too strongly. "Emotionally attached?"

I see that the case against the 159mph policeman has been re-opened after a couple of senior judges ruled that the original judge was indeed a cock for letting him off.

Justice at last? Talk about an own goal for justice seeing to be done! Impaired judgements all round. The daft bugger shouldn't ever be allowed behind a wheel again and a prison term is probably indicated. If it had been a chav driving a souped up eurobox he'd be hanging from the blue light outside Dock Green nick with a psychopath/sociopath placard round his scrawny neck.

The upside? This idiot's personal misbehaviour may have kicked the whole speed camera "problem" into the nearest ditch. Corruption becomes a dirty word when those who make and enforce the rules show themselves to be above the law. Particularly when the pockets of large numbers of the population are being horribly tortured for much more minor misdemeanors.

Nime,

It is quite correct that this case be re-opened, but under what circumstances would you allow an officer to find out what the max capability is of a vehicle, in order that this knowledge be available in case of a pursuit etc?

And before you bite my head off, I am not being defensive of this officers actions etc etc.

andy c!

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Originally posted by andy c:
Nime,

It is quite correct that this case be re-opened, but under what circumstances would you allow an officer to find out what the max capability is of a vehicle, in order that this knowledge be available in case of a pursuit etc?

Never, in the case of arseholes like the one in that case. Never without explicit authorisation for everyone else.

The maximum speed that the vehicle is capable of isn't that relevant, but if it was then an off-road facility should be used.

My own view on the case is that it's not the speed he was doing on the motorway that was the main issue, but the speeds he was doing through urban areas that should see him locked up.

This opens up the question of the way that an officer may misuse the training give etc.

I can say with some knowldge on the subject that advanced drivers do need to maintain their skills, as they don't often need these skils during pursuits, but they do use them when responding to incidents like the robbery in Bradford!

I can also say that the rules surrounding such use of vehicles is very, very, very heavily regulated in my part of the world, and quite rightly so IMV.

Perhaps soeone could point out how this affects speed camera's, to me, tho? I assume you suggest the officers pointing the gun should adhere to the rules? (soz am tired - just got up after nights!)

andy c!

Steve

I see no point in giving this policeman the sack and certainly locking up makes no sense.

I would rather have him aresting villians than doing time as you seem to want.

He is of more use to an old lady who has been mugged if he is in uniform than out of it.

Sometime you need to be pragmatic.

Regards

Mick

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Steve

I see no point in giving this policeman the sack and certainly locking up makes no sense.

I would rather have him aresting villians than doing time as you seem to want.

He is of more use to an old lady who has been mugged if he is in uniform than out of it.

Sometime you need to be pragmatic.

Had this been a civilian (even with a similar level of driving experience/ability) he'd have been locked up for sure. I can see no reason why he should be treated any differently for what was effectively a joyride.

It's my opinion (and clearly also the opinion of his colleagues who shopped him in the first place) that he's unfit to be a police officer.

Steve

Ok, now tell that to some old dear who has just been mugged.

Regards

Mick

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He is of more use to an old lady who has been mugged if he is in uniform than out of it.

Maybe your right Mick, he may be more use on the beat as opposed to driving fast pursuit police cars, as he's obviously irresponsible for driving at such speed on a public road with a pretty lame excuse.

Nobody's saying get him locked up or sacked, but consider the speed, which lets be honest is totally senseless, imagine a mechanical failiure at that speed?.

andy

This chap is guilty of incredibly poor judgement. He should have been weeded out before he was ever allowed behind the wheel of a police car. I am not a copper basher. Far from it. I believe that most do an incredible job under very difficult circumstances with little thanks. (whatever Phritz might say)

Mick

The old lady is probably safer being mugged than she is using the pavements and crossings with this character driving around. Braking distances alone suggest that she would be yet another statistic not related to mugging. The public simply expects more than mere driving skill. They also expect rational behaviour.

Remember that the police themselves prosecuted him. Senior police officers are pursuing the matter again after a judge fumbled the ball.

Whether this is a result of orders from on high (or not) the force is seeking to clear its bad name as a result of this driver's foolish behaviour.

He has caused untold damage to the force's reputation and skilled police drivers in particular. Next time anybody is pulled over the question will hang in the air: "One rule for you lot and another for the rest of us?"

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Steve

Ok, now tell that to some old dear who has just been mugged.

I'm sure waving to the police car that just passed at 159mph would have helped...

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Originally posted by Justyn:
Nobody's saying get him locked up or sacked

I am. Had a member of the public been caught doing that then he'd be in jail for sure.

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Originally posted by Nime:
Remember that the police themselves prosecuted him. Senior police officers are pursuing the matter again after a judge fumbled the ball.

Indeed, and this is what Daily Mail readers like Mick are missing. This prick was shopped by his colleagues after he showed them his home movie when playing with the new toy. I have friends who are fairly senior police officers and the word they're getting is that this was no one-off incident.

Steve,

The officer's prosecution being revisited could, I say could, suggest he was operating outside the relevant force orders. In which case this does suggest that the force in question is operating in a transparent, honest nature. This could come as quite a shock to some sceptics, eh?

andy c!

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The old lady is probably safer being mugged than she is using the pavements and crossings with this character driving around. Braking distances alone suggest that she would be yet another statistic not related to mugging. The public simply expects more than mere driving skill. They also expect rational behaviour.

There were no pavements or crossings on that particular stretch of the M54.

Thought this might 'amuse' Steve G et al...



Steve

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Originally posted by Steve Toy:

There were no pavements or crossings on that particular stretch of the M54.

I believe the officer was also driving at high speed in a built up area where the obligatory 30mph was (presumably) only for public consumption? Let's drop it and await the results of any further action.

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Originally posted by Nime:
I believe the officer was also driving at high speed in a built up area where the obligatory 30mph was (presumably) only for public consumption?

84mph in a 30mph limit.

Since the case was raised the force he works for have issued clearer instructions that officers should never break speed limits when familiarising themselves with vehicles or during unofficial training. Supposedly they've also said that officers should never exceed 120mph under any circumstances.

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Originally posted by Hammerhead:
Thought this might 'amuse' Steve G et al...

I'm not anti-police, just anti-hyprocisy.