A suggestion for Naim-audio re. interconnects.

can anyone say "circular argument"?

Jamie's right. Well argued, that man.

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Ok, here it is, the final (well almost..) gauntlet for Naim:

You design a high resolution interconnect with a wide bandwidth tolerance so that A.N. Other preamps don't pick up on the crap at the frequency extremes as added by the Chrysalis.

Such a hi-res i/c that is neutral and band-wide should work with just about every pre on the market that is in keeping with Naim's musical values of pitch, rhythm and timing.

You may lose out on a few guys purchasing Naim amps as a result cos they're happy running their CD5s or CDXs into their non-Naim amps, but
they'll be so happy that when they've got the funds to upgrade, they'll already know that Naim make the best CD players available, so what will they do?

They'll invest in an XPS2 and ultimately a CDS3.

Job done. Everyone's happy, and Naim sell more of their very best - their CD players!

Win-win or what?

The Anthem is good in the context of my system but I'm sure it can be bettered - and endorsed by Naim.



Regards,

Steve.

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on WEDNESDAY 17 September 2003 at 03:18.]

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Originally posted by AndrewThomas:
If you put neutral, band-wide, hi-res on the box you'll have idiots (I mean customers) lining up.
Just make sure it looks expensive and comes in a fancy package.

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Yeah man ! Like Star Trek or Dr Who and stuff. Could it be shaped like a Darlek ? Cool

Steve

You're a car manufacturer. Some of your customers want to tow trailers. You don't make towbars as you don't want to be involved in making trailers or anything to connect them up to your fine cars (caravans, you shudder).

Just because nobody else can make a trailer work on your car, should you make a towbar? Epecially noting the fully-featured transport system (VAN) you produce delivers an excellent solution, albiet in a different box from that requested by the punters looking for a towbar. WHat would you do - make something that opens a whole can of worms (the towbar and trailer), and enters a market you really don't like? Or just keep doing what you do well, and leave the niche to others?

It's a difficult one, I know.

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Oh yeah - could be a dalek-shaped trailer!

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You design a high resolution interconnect with a wide bandwidth tolerance so that A.N. Other preamps don't pick up on the crap at the frequency extremes as added by the Chrysalis.

Such a hi-res i/c that is neutral and band-wide should work with just about every pre on the market that is in keeping with Naim's musical values of pitch, rhythm and timing.

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It's extremely difficult and expensive to make an interconnect that doesn't meet your requirements.

Paul

This cable malarkey....
When at the Bristol show last year I asked a couple of the Naim boys about cables, and they replied they 'leave that to someone else'. They did not deny the fact that changing cables in an all Naim system 'could' have a benefit on information retrieval, PRAT etc. They just said be careful and try and audition at home.
I don't see the issue with that. If you are happy with your sound then fine. If you want to try other cables to see if the 'differance' is acceptable to you, then all well and good too.
I tried chord, but went for Kimber. Having embarked on the latest hardware upgrade I will visit cables again.. but noy yet.
I will also not narrow myself down to one make, but will try as many as possible, because for me thats all part of the fun of it...
What I do think invaluable is the contributions from those above who have tried differant cables, and the results they have found. That all assists in the identifying and narrowing down process, but your ears are the final arbitors...

Hope this link works Aro Cable
I was going to buy it myself. I would be interested in going halfs with you if there is enough for two cables

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I'm still trying to find out how I can order the Aero cable. I realize that it's my responsibility to determine if it will work or not. It would be nice if I at least could find a way of ordering this cable if so desired. Who supplies this Aero cable? Is it made by Naim or some other manufacturer?

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Before you do that I suggest you page Tony Lonorgan on the Pink Fish Forum - link supplied above to aforesaid.

He has recently switched from Naim amps to Densen and is also the forum's owner.

The Aro is the cable used in Naim Aro tonearms.



Regards,

Steve.

Robert,

I have seen your thread over at Pik Fish and I have posted on it. I just though I'd include this part for the benefit of people here at Naim:

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I believe that this is the cable that Steve was trying to suggest in his last Naim forum post about making sure Naim supplied a cheaper I/C that would work as well. I sure bet a better connector or something relatively simple would possibly correct the grain and distortion with the Chrysalis.
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No, I actually think that Naim have to admit that outside an all-Naim system, a 39 quid bit of wire just won't do. Their own i/c or one that they endorsed could cost ten times as much, and it would still be justifiable in the context of a 2.5k GBP or more CD player into appropriately priced amplification/speakers by A.N. Other.

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I hope this clarifies my own opinion on this issue.



Regards,

Steve.

HI,
If you have a pop up killer or similar program running on your computer it will not enable you to post a reply unless you disable it.

I'm doing guinea pig duties for Omiga Audio having now tried two versions of their midpriced analogue interconnect (can't remember its name.)

The ones I've tried so far are both DIN/RCA to link my CDX with my Densen Beat B200.

The reference i/c is my own £300 DIN/RCA Chord Anthem.

The first one to come through the post had a sligtly better controlled bass, but was slightly rolled-off in the treble and was a little too laid-back for my tastes. It was lacking a touch in midband presence and leading edge definition.

It was pretty cohesive if not particularly coherent - timing didn't suffer because the laid-back nature was consistent throughout the frequency range, but busy musical passages became somewhat vague and hard to follow at times.

Overall I prefered the Anthem.

Then another version of this same i/c dropped through my front door

Essentially the wire and insulation were the same but the terminations were different. At one end there were now Eichmanns and at the other, the Naim style lockable DIN had been replaced by something that fitted snugly into the DIN socket at the back of the CDX but it wasn't lockable.

First off, the treble roll-off was gone and a more airy sound emerged.

Then I noticed that this cable was more lively with better leading edge attack, better even than the Anthem. It timed better than the Anthem too, and was more detailed.

I concluded that this was the interconnect to beat the Anthem...

Until this evening...

I played Only a woman's heart sung by Eleanor McEvoy. This isn't the Naim-audio label version, but the New Woman compilation featuring Mary Black. Whilst I was aware that during the track sometimes the woman singing wasn't always Eleanor, it was Mary, the differences between the vocalists weren't so clear and distinct as they are now.

Then I heard both of them singing together. Yes I can now hear two voices at one point where previously I heard only one.

Improved tangibility and presence of the vocals had made this separation of the two voices possible to hear. I never knew that on this recording they actually sang together - I thought they only took turns!

This kind of female vocal presence hints at what I very first liked about the CDS2 over a CDX/XPS on standard Quadraspire a couple of years ago. I can only dream of what a CDS2 would sound like now...

This i/c doesn't beat the more expensive Anthem, it absolutely trashes it.



I can't wait to hear what an RCA/RCA version will do, replacing the other Anthem between pre and power...



Regards,

Steve.

PS: Whilst I know Big Tone aka Wadia-miester, I am in no way connected ('scuse pun) with Omiga-Audio, and I have no vested interests in this company providing interconnects. I'm just likely to be a happy customer of theirs in the not-too-distant future.

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on THURSDAY 13 November 2003 at 03:42.]

The Omiga cables only cost £175. So they are cheaper as well as better. The versions I received were pre-cooked.



Regards,

Steve.

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I played Only a woman's heart sung by Eleanor McEvoy. This isn't the Naim-audio label version,

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I have 2 versions of that song: one from the Woman's Heart CD and the other from the eponymous Eleanor McEvoy CD - has she recorded for naim and if so could you let me have details?

cheers

Nigel