Other peoples very irritating driving habits! : <

Posted by: naim_nymph on 20 September 2008

What annoys me most about other peoples bad driving habits is tailgating, or following too closely, especially when it’s dark and the glare of their headlamps are dazzling me though my mirrors… this is one of the worst because of the obvious dangers! : (

However, there is another contender for the most irritating habit, and one that could so easily be avoided…
This also happens at night time or when it’s dark and it happens when you come to a stop at a traffic light or perhaps a road junction and the car in front of you is stationary with all the brake-lights on…
In other words the driver in front has his/her foot pressed on the brake peddle instead of pulling up the hand-brake instead…

I find this illumination of intense bright red light to be very uncomfortable, and in a way very ignorant or disrespectful of the person causing it, especially because it’s not necessary and the proper driving craft is to use the hand-brake.

There is a lot of bad driving out there, some dangerous, some just annoying but the above are only two of many subjects of peoples poor driving skills that irritate me, i could wax-lyrical but what i want to know is...

What are your most upsetting or anger-inducing experiences of other peoples bad driving habits?

nymph ( I.A.M. member since 1996 )
Posted on: 21 September 2008 by Willy
Two major motoring peeves:

Firstly lack of use of indicators. This, especially on roundabouts is a total pain. Saw two police drivers commit this offence on the same day.

Second one is those idiots who drive too close to horses. If my horse can reach your bodywork he probably will.


Willy.
Posted on: 21 September 2008 by PJT
IMHO, it is the SLOW drivers that are the biggest dangers, well apart from the REALLY OTT speedsters.

Slow drivers tend top precipitate dangerous overtaking manouvers. I hate them, and yes if I am in a bad mood will tail-gate the b*stards with full beam on.
Posted on: 21 September 2008 by u5227470736789439
Glad you are in NZ then as what constitues slow is always a matter of opinion. I remember once having an angry Ford Transit van behind me as I motored as fast as safe on black ice. The guy tailgated [with aggressive horn and light flashings] me till he saw a straight and immediately came passed, crossing the centre line, the other carriageway, the ditch, and the hedge!

Of course I stopped safely to check that he was okay. I have to say I was delighted by his fate and told him so as I rang the police [which he did not want me to do] to call for assistance! I hasten to add that he was not hurt, but had written the van off, having left the front axle in the ditch and the bumper and radiator in the hedge. He confessed that he was sorry and thought that would get the sack.

I would hope he would become uninsurable after that as well. He got no sympathy from me at all, once I could see he was not injured. Bloody cowbow.

If you tailgated me you would get entirely as little sympathy in similar conditions.

George
Posted on: 21 September 2008 by naim_nymph
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Originally posted by PJT:
IMHO, it is the SLOW drivers that are the biggest dangers, well apart from the REALLY OTT speedsters.
Slow drivers tend top precipitate dangerous overtaking manouvers. I hate them, and yes if I am in a bad mood will tail-gate the b*stards with full beam on.


Getting stuck behind a slow moving vehicle may be an inconvenience, but it’s not really dangerous, one merely needs patience, and to exercise a cunning over-taking manoeuvre in the right place when/where it’s safe to do so.

Statistically in the UK (and many other parts of the world) the “biggest dangers” on the road are the young men who are testosteroned and alcoholed.
(It’s the alcohol that makes this combination particularly very dangerous indeed).

nymph
Posted on: 21 September 2008 by naim_nymph
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by jon h
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Originally posted by Adam Meredith:

Years ago a writer conducted a casual test. Same journey into work, same time of day. Count the number of apparent "cloak of invisibility" moments. No headlight - headlight on. Small difference.

Then he dressed himself in a passable imitation of a Police Motorcycle Rider - incidents dropped to zero.


The question is whether other people took care because the bike rider looked like a police biker, or whether they took care because the biker was much more visible. Few police bike riders wear all black leathers and sit on an all black bike with a black helmet.
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by Tony Swiss
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Originally posted by PJT:
IMHO, it is the SLOW drivers that are the biggest dangers, well apart from the REALLY OTT speedsters.

Slow drivers tend top precipitate dangerous overtaking manoeuvres. I hate them, and yes if I am in a bad mood will tail-gate the b*stards with full beam on.

If you carry on driving like that you are going to cause an accident PJT.
Impatient drivers, & those that over-estimate their abilities are the real danger.
Obviously a driver travelling at 20mph in a 60mph zone for no particular reason is exhibiting poor driving skills, but two wrongs don't make a right. Of course that 'slow' driver might know something you don't, like a crash ahead, black ice on the road. Then there are vehicles that can only travel safely at slow speed like a farm vehicles, lorries with a heavy loads, etc.

I had a similar experience to George when I was learning to drive.
I was having a lesson in a 30mph area, travelling at at 30mph.
A vehicle came up fast behind me,
& overtook me on a bend at the top a hill.
About 1/4 mile past the bend there were road works & temporary traffic lights at red.
The driver slammed on their brakes just after they got in front of me (fortunately my instructor used the duel controls to avoid a collision), & spun their car many times across both lanes of the road before hitting the kerb & blowing a tyre.

Incredibly the driver had a baby on board! After my instructor had checked they were uninjured,
he offered his business card & suggested the driver take some refresher lessons! Big Grin
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by djftw
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Originally posted by 555:
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The "Old Gits" that annoy me are the ones that do 45mph in the 60mph zone

The 60 MPH speed limit is a maximum djfw, not a minimum. Roll Eyes


Oy you've taken me out of context! Also driving significantly lower than the speed limit for no good reason is actually a criminal offense if you are obstructing other vehicles, prosecutions are rare though, but you will fail a driving test if they take you on a clear national limit road and you drive at 45mph the whole way!

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There have been a number of times where going into a bend at moderate speed I have encountered a very slow cyclist in the middle of the road where they cannot be avoided.

When you go round a bend you are responsible to ensure you can stop in time given the tightness of the bend & visibility. The position of the cyclist may be due to drains or debris at the side of the road.


And indeed I do/have. However, I'm not talking about a cyclist who has pulled out to avoid a puddle. I'm talking about the odd idiot who has never read the Highway Code section on road position (not that anyone should need to, it is just common sense) and is somewhere he shouldn't be like on the wrong side of the road. Such a person could be charged with driving without due care and attention, and a car doing so almost certainly would be if observed by the constabulary, but of course cyclists seem to be invisible to the police!
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by djftw
quote:
Originally posted by PJT:
IMHO, it is the SLOW drivers that are the biggest dangers, well apart from the REALLY OTT speedsters.

Slow drivers tend top precipitate dangerous overtaking manouvers. I hate them, and yes if I am in a bad mood will tail-gate the b*stards with full beam on.


I would agree that driving too slowly can be a problem, as you seem to have very clearly indicated it can cause other drivers to behave more aggressively. The police (in the UK) can actually charge people for driving too slowly, but it is very rare. However, I have to say that I think tail-gating and dazzling other drivers is far more inconsiderate, if you really find it that difficult to overtake slower moving vehicles safely you should sign up for advanced lessons to learn how to do so.


Another wonderful story George, you really should write a book of these anecdotes. Would make far more interesting reading than a lot of the trash that bookstores seem to stock these days!
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by djftw
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Originally posted by Ewan Aye:
PJT. You are a tosser. If you have a problem with the size of your penis , you should see a surgeon.


lol, I'd missed that, I was trying to be polite/constructive, but yeh seriously PJT your post makes you sound like a complete pillock.
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by djftw
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Originally posted by jon honeyball:
Few police bike riders wear all black leathers and sit on an all black bike with a black helmet.


I see where you're coming from but I've observed the "invisibility" phenomenon as a passenger on a bright yellow bike (Triumph 595) with the lights on, with both me and the rider in quite brightly coloured race leathers and helmets.
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by jon h
I'd also point out that police bikers dont ride around with their headlights on full (main) beam -- which is an offence for which fingers should be broken, one by one. Not only is it deeply unpleasant for the car driver to have a full-beam halogen in his/her face (or rear mirror), it makes estimation of distance, closing speed harder thus putting the rider at more risk (duh!)

And as for bikes not having easy (preferably automatic) headlight beam height adjustment to cope with varying load (especially a pillion passanger)...
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by Phil Cork
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Originally posted by naim_nymph:
However, there is another contender for the most irritating habit, and one that could so easily be avoided…
This also happens at night time or when it’s dark and it happens when you come to a stop at a traffic light or perhaps a road junction and the car in front of you is stationary with all the brake-lights on…
In other words the driver in front has his/her foot pressed on the brake peddle instead of pulling up the hand-brake instead…

I find this illumination of intense bright red light to be very uncomfortable, and in a way very ignorant or disrespectful of the person causing it, especially because it’s not necessary and the proper driving craft is to use the hand-brake.


I drive an automatic and am frequently stopped at lights and junctions with my foot on the brake...

I too get annoyed with people who drive with their fog lights on when it's not foggy, simply because they believe it looks 'cool'. I've not noticed this habit being a particular affliction of BMW drivers however - certainly not in my case Winker

Phil
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by tonym
I also drive an automatic but when I'm stationary for more than a few seconds I put the car in neutral and apply the handbrake.

I agree it's the tailgaters that I also find most annoying, and it's amazing to me how many people drive too closely to the car in front; the "Two-second Rule" seems to be unheeded these days.

Just recently there was something on the TV reporting an insurance scam that involved a car deliberately breaking hard, causing the car behind to run into the back of it. A young lad who'd been lured into such a crash was being interviewed with his father, and telling how awful this was. Whilst feeling sorry for the youngster, my initial reaction was - "you were driving too close then"
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by Signals UK
Mind you, at speed on the open road, you leave a safe gap. Someone will fill it. Drop back, same again.

And then there are the 50mph-in-the-overtaking-lane-coz-i'm-turning-right-within-the-next-five-miles driver. Rather a lot of 'em round 'ere . . .

Nice to get things off your chest sometimes.


Alastair
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by 555
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Oy you've taken me out of context!
Not at all!
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Also driving significantly lower than the speed limit for no good reason is actually a criminal offense if you are obstructing other vehicles ...

That's true, but 45mph in a 60mph zone isn't significantly slower, & certainly wouldn't result in the driver being stopped by the police. I'm fortunate to have the confidence & a suitable vehicle to drive at 60mph in a 60mph zone, but if someone chooses to go at 45mph in a 60mph zone that's not unreasonable IMHO.
Also, as has been pointed out ...
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Of course that 'slow' driver might know something you don't,
like a crash ahead, black ice on the road.
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I'm not talking about a cyclist who has pulled out to avoid a puddle. I'm talking about the odd idiot who has never read the Highway Code section on road position (not that anyone should need to, it is just common sense) and is somewhere he shouldn't be like on the wrong side of the road.
So when you 'encountered' this cyclist you stopped your vehicle to talk to them,
& established the facts did you? Roll Eyes
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I would agree that driving too slowly can be a problem, as you seem to have very clearly indicated it can cause other drivers to behave more aggressively.
That's sounds like a 'The way she was dressed she was asking to be raped' type non-excuse.
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by naim_nymph
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Originally posted by 555:
That's sounds like a 'The way she was dressed she was asking to be raped' type non-excuse.

I wear bright coloured lycra on my bicycle rides because of the visual notice-ability and the aerodynamic qualities, honest! ; )

nymph
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by Officer DBL
Another habit around here (exhibited by the elderly in the main) is leaving it late to pull out from a side road then not bothering to accelerate so holding up the traffic they have just caused to brake hard.

I have a feeling it is due to lack of spatial awareness, poor eyesight and crass ignorance.
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by Stephen Tate
Drivers that do not indicate and expect everyone else to be telepathic.

Groups of youngsters with fartbox scooters trying to out do each other with loudest exhaust fart sounds weeving in and out of traffic oblivious of whats around them.
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by djftw
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Originally posted by 555:
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Oy you've taken me out of context!

Not at all!


Yes you had, well maybe it's my fault, perhaps I wasn't very clear. It was the fact that they then continued doing 45 in a 30 zone that was the cause of my annoyance, not the fact that they were doing 45 in a 60...

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Also driving significantly lower than the speed limit for no good reason is actually a criminal offense if you are obstructing other vehicles ...

That's true, but 45mph in a 60mph zone isn't significantly slower, & certainly wouldn't result in the driver being stopped by the police. I'm fortunate to have the confidence & a suitable vehicle to drive at 60mph in a 60mph zone, but if someone chooses to go at 45mph in a 60mph zone that's not unreasonable IMHO.


I wouldn't disagree with you.

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I'm not talking about a cyclist who has pulled out to avoid a puddle. I'm talking about the odd idiot who has never read the Highway Code section on road position (not that anyone should need to, it is just common sense) and is somewhere he shouldn't be like on the wrong side of the road.

So when you 'encountered' this cyclist you stopped your vehicle to talk to them,
& established the facts did you? Roll Eyes


Lol, fair enough I didn't, but the road appeared to be clear and dry to me. Unless there was something that I couldn't see that would have caused him to loose control of the bike he had put himself in far more danger by positioning himself where a less careful driver would have just mowed him down!

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I would agree that driving too slowly can be a problem, as you seem to have very clearly indicated it can cause other drivers to behave more aggressively.
That's sounds like a 'The way she was dressed she was asking to be raped' type non-excuse.


That was tongue in cheek, as PJT or whatever had said that he tailgated people who drive "too slowly" with his high beams on!
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by Chillkram
Definitely tailgating is my pet hate followed closely by weaving in and out of the traffic. Absence of indicators on a roundabout is also annoying, particularly when it is busy and causes you to lose an opportunity to pull out.

Driving in Italy recently was a really challenging experience because they really tailgate over there, literally six inches from your rear bumper with lights flashing.

But the most bizarre behaviour actually happened twice to me in two days. I was driving along the motorway in the inside lane and the car which had been behind me for several kilometres pulled out and overtook me. He then suddenly pulled back into my lane directly in front of me and slammed on his brakes before turning very sharply off on to the exit road, all in one swift manoevre. I didn't even have time to react to what he'd done it was so quick. The very same thing then happened again the next day!
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by droodzilla
Tailgaters should be severely dealt with:

Tailgating

Eek
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by rodwsmith
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Originally posted by Chillkram:
Driving in Italy recently ... most bizarre behaviour ... suddenly pulled back ... slammed ... sharply off ... swift ... it was so quick.


I live in a part of the world where the French and the Italians vie with each other as to who can drive the most, er, creatively.

It's difficult to decide who is winning but I can report that both sides are competing very hard indeed.

Nothing in your experience Mark seems even slightly abnormal to me. That you had to wait until the next day, rather than the next junction, is more surprising. In fact the concept of an Italian actively changing lane - when they genuinely don't appear to know such things exist, or what they are for - suggests you had it easy, or it was a Saint's day or something.

I believe the insurance when you hire a car in Italy is 20% more than in any other EU country. Including Greece. Now you know why!
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by 555
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Tailgating

One day Jeremy Clarkson will be on the road & get similar treatment droodzilla.
Posted on: 22 September 2008 by Chillkram
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Originally posted by rodwsmith:
I live in a part of the world where the French and the Italians vie with each other as to who can drive the most, er, creatively.



I must say, Rod, that I have driven in France a fair bit and actually find them ok, except for the bumper to bumper affair that is the Paris ring road, but the Italians are different class.

The most bizarre thing is that they do not seem to admonish poor driving from fellow road users and, indeed, do not even seem to notice it!

Mark