McCoy Tyner suggestions pls.

The Real McCoy Absolute classic, essential McCoy! On blue note, with joe henderson, Ron Carter, and Elvin Jones . . . .
New York Reunion with Joe Henderson, Ron Carter, and Al Foster . . . recorded 1991 on Chesky records.

Max
p.s. Not sure if these are available on vinyl, as I only have them on CD. I imagine the chesky is available, and if you could get a vinyl copy of the Real McCoy,that would really be worth having.

Hi. One of my favourite Tyner sessions is Joe Henderson's Inner Urge (Blue Note); a Coltrane-ish romp through some challenging modal and standard material. His playing on the disc is reminiscent of his best stuff with Coltrane on Impulse (plentiful, especially on vinyl) of which there is much to choose from; a splurge on the big box set of Trane's (in)Complete Studio Quartet sessions would be worth it.
His playing on Milestone doesn't really hit the mark as far as I'm concerned but I know it has it's fans.
Another classic to consider is Hutcherson's Stick Up (on Blue Note again) which features some brilliant compositions and playing by the whole ensemble.
Have fun!

Concurr on the above recommendations, especially The Real McCoy. I also like Tyner's early less Coletrane modal-style trio discs on Impulse (Nights of Ballads and Blues, Inception and his Ellington CD) and his wonderful playing on the Classic Johnny Hartman/John Coltrane CD. A great musician for sure, and a big influence on jazz piano, though I do think the modal style he initiated and was copied by hundreds of jazz pianists really is a dead end.

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Originally posted by Oldnslow:
the modal style he initiated and was copied by hundreds of jazz pianists really is a dead end.

I always thought it was Miles who was the first to explore the modal mode through "jazz".

Max

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Originally posted by Max Bass:

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Originally posted by Oldnslow:
the modal style he initiated and was copied by hundreds of jazz pianists really is a dead end.

I always thought it was Miles who was the first to explore the modal mode through "jazz".

Max

yeah..bit of a strange statement!
I think George Russell could possibly be credited with applying the modal approach to jazz, but yes, Miles did some wonderful pioneering work with it (I know a huge understatement if ever there was one )

Well, whatever you wish to call Tyner's mature style that he perfected on the piano, that's all I'm saying. I just find it, ultimately, boring, whereas the other piano styles from Fats Waller to swing to Bud Powell bebop to Bill Evans always seem to hold my interest when played by talented pianists. I'm sure lots of musicians disagree, and I simply offer a non-musician's opinion....

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I always thought it was Miles who was the first to explore the modal mode through "jazz".

it was bill evans who introduced miles to modal playing while they recorded KIND OF BLUE.

to anyone interested in modern jazz piano i can heavily recommend keith jarrett's lesser known 3LP box BREMEN/LAUSANNE - magic. and i was never a fan of KÖLN CONCERTS.

regards
BF

ps> thanks for the suggestions... which one would be the most slow and modal/intellectual of these records?

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Originally posted by blackforest:

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I always thought it was Miles who was the first to explore the modal mode through "jazz".

it was bill evans who introduced miles to modal playing while they recorded KIND OF BLUE.

to anyone interested in modern jazz piano i can heavily recommend keith jarrett's lesser known 3LP box BREMEN/LAUSANNE - magic. and i was never a fan of KÖLN CONCERTS.

regards
BF

ps> thanks for the suggestions... which one would be the most slow and modal/intellectual of these records?

Well, from the above recs half of The Real McCoy is probably just what you're after. Also:

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There will of course be many others (the Johnny Hartman album is standard based so you'll be listening to 'standard' chord progressions there rather than 'modal' stuff although the way these guys play them, you'll be impressed anyhow!)
Impulse every so often release compilations of 'The Gentle Side...', 'The Quiet Side...' or ' The Abusive Side...' whatever so you'll find something if you want to go the compilation route.

cyrene - thanks.

BALLADS - i have it already. an album for every household if you ask me

i collect a lot of jazz - like jimmy giuffre, bill evans, miles, coltrane, dave brubeck but also the newer ECM stuff. so no compilations for me ;.

regards
BF

[QUOTE]Originally posted by blackforest:
it was bill evans who introduced miles to modal playing while they recorded KIND OF BLUE.

I would have to disagree with this statement as a generalization. Although Evans may have taken the original idea and developed it for the KOB album . . . the Modal thing first appeared on the Milestones album. Miles, himself disputes that Bill Evans may have been co-composer on Kind of Blue.
According to Miles, he walked in with sketches of ideas for everyone to play which were then developed by the individual musicians accordingly. They never rehearsed it!! Press record. Go. Masterpiece.


To learn what Miles Davis thought of his music from his modal period (c.1958-63), the best source is Davis' autobiography, in which he states that he was indeed prompted into this style of improvising on fewer chords by Gil Evans' arrangements of Porgy and Bess. He also states that George Russell recommended Bill Evans to Davis on the strength of Evans' knowledge of French Impressionist composers Claude Debussy and Maurice Ravel. Davis became infatuated with Revel’s Concerto for the Left Hand, and spent roughly the next 13 years incorporating the composer's devices into a distinctive Davis style of what some historians (Winthrop Sargeant, for example) termed Impressionist Jazz. 1

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Max