Sub-seeking Heretic seeks 112/150 vs. 202/200 info please

Why don´t you change your CD 5/FC 2 for a CDX?It´s the way to go,before buy a 202/200

MY system : Naim Nait 5 amplifier,Naim cd 5 ,Epos M 15 speakers,Naca5,FC2

Hi again

I posted on your earlier question about adding a sub.
It seems you seek the Holy Grail of more BASS.
Before reaching for the cheque book to purchase more elevated NAIM Cdp's or Pre-amps maybe it's worth a thought or two on the speaker front.

I don't know what speakers you have and I don't know what size room you are driving them in, but these two factors together will determine your bass sound to quite a large extent.
In my case I have a room which is approxm 3 meter X 5 meter and I use a TOTEM Mani 2's which are largish standmounted speakers which go down to about 28Hx because of their isobarik design. I had all the bass I can handle coming from a 112/150 and had to be very carefull where I set the speakers to avoid "boom".
I am not suggesting you should rush out and buy these speakers what I am saying is you should experiment with your speaker placement to get the best location for strong but controlled bass in your room. Once you have the best bass you can get, then judge again.
The way to get more bass is typically to put speakers, especially ported ones closer to the corners of the room, so put the speakers right in the corners then move them slowly diagonally out from the corners. As you come further away you should reach a point where you have the best controlled bass sond.

If you have already tried this and do not have enough bass by all means experiment but IMHO buying say a 202 though it will raise the total sound quality will not get you more bass if you don't have it with the 112.

regards
GEOFFP

Hi there

I rad your first post about wanting some Dyn 25 special edition speakers and a Naim system to match, so my commenst are with regards to you using that speaker.

CD5/FC2 with any amp other than 5 series = BIG MISTAKE!!!! You can't escape system precedence!! The better amps will over-reveal the CD5 and FC2, and there is where you so-called 'lack of bass' starts.
Adding a sub is another HUGE mistake. They don't tiime and add boof where it doesn't belong.
I also know the Dyns and I can't believe anyone would say they were bass-shy. In fact they're some of the bassiest compacts around (if you want timing and pace to go with that bass, sir).

A pair of Dyn 25s will need at least a 250 to make em work, so you want to move with a CDX2, a 282 pre then 250/Hicap.
Then XPS2 power supply, the second Hicap for pre.
With existing equipment, simply add to the source components first, i.e. a CDX2, then get the amps, NOT the other way round.

Joe90

Hi Ian

It's always difficult to discern the sound that others are after.

If you really are lusting after sub-bass; by all means add a good sub - the 150 is still a very capable amplifier.

If you want to improve the quality (as opposed to quantitiy) of bass, and everything else; improve the amplification.

In answer to your specific questions:-

1. The 112 is the weak link of 112/150.

2. So yes; a 202 (preferably with a NAPSC and Hi Cap) would be a real upgrade.

3. Contrary to others here; I reckon a CD5/FC2 is good enough to feed 202/200 etc:

A CDX2 would of course be better, as and when you can afford it. Personally I wouldn't bother with a CDX - the '2' is much better.

Good luck.

I am currently using a bare CD5 into a 202/napsc2/hi/200/SBL. I really dont hear any problems with the CD5. A CDX2 would of course be better but the CD5 is no slough.

Silk ... you might not be saying the same thing after you pay me a visit.

I personally upgraded from FC2/112/150 to 202/200. Vast improvement in tonality, control and power. Source is CDX/XPS.

Not familiar with your speakers. But the increase in power from 150 to 200 should give more LF aggressiveness and control.

[This message was edited by Jose73 on MONDAY 17 November 2003 at 07:10.]

Jose,
easy for you to say. I am a half CD half Vinyl guy.

At this point in time, should I Aro my LP12 or should I go for CDX2? I seems to be always stuck in this dilemma.

My earlier comment about the amount of bass in the system probably not be affected much by swapping the 112 for 202 was also with a CDX2 as the source I should add.
In line with what Mr bassman says you would certainly get good bass as he describes with a CDX2.
The CDX2 is capable of greater things in a higher system so if you admit to a plan for future upgrades then on the source 1st principle the CDX2 will take you a long way especially since you can bolt on an XPS2 someday.

geoffp