The Beatles 2009 Remasters
Posted by: pcstockton on 02 September 2009
I am surprised there is not yet a thread on this. Isn't everyone excited? The currently available CDs are utter crap. In fact the first transfer I did was my German DMM (on White Vinyl) of "The Beatles" (White Album).
A buddy of mine (who pre-ordered the limited 10K, Mono Box Set), sent me the following info:
The re-mastering process commenced with an extensive period conducting tests before finally copying the analogue master tapes into the digital medium. When this was completed, the transfer was achieved using a Pro Tools workstation operating at 24 bit 192 kHz resolution via a Prism A-D converter. Transferring was a lengthy procedure done a track at a time. Although EMI tape does not suffer the oxide loss associated with some later analogue tapes, there was nevertheless a slight build up of dust, which was removed from the tape machine heads between each title.
From the onset, considerable thought was given to what audio restorative processes were going to be allowed. It was agreed that electrical clicks, microphone vocal pops, excessive sibilance and bad edits should be improved where possible, so long as it didn't impact on the original integrity of the songs.
In addition, de-noising technology, which is often associated with re-mastering, was to be used, but subtly and sparingly. Eventually, less than five of the 525 minutes of Beatles music was subjected to this process. Finally, as is common with today's music, overall limiting - to increase the volume level of the CD - has been used, but on the stereo versions only. However, it was unanimously agreed that because of the importance of The Beatles' music, limiting would be used moderately, so as to retain the original dynamics of the recordings.
When all of the albums had been transferred, each song was then listened to several times to locate any of the agreed imperfections. These were then dressed by Guy Massey, working with Audio Restoration engineer Simon Gibson.
Mastering could now take place, once the earliest vinyl pressings, along with the existing CDs, were loaded into Pro Tools, thus allowing comparisons to be made with the original master tapes during the equalization process. When an album had been completed, it was auditioned the next day in studio three - a room familiar to the engineers, as all of the recent Beatles mixing projects had taken place in there - and any further alteration of EQ could be addressed back in the mastering room. Following the initial satisfaction of Guy and Steve, Allan Rouse and Mike Heatley then checked each new re-master in yet another location and offered any further suggestions. This continued until all 13 albums were completed to the team's satisfaction.
-Patrick
PS - The new remasters were heard by Dr. Ebbetts and is now officially retiring, for what that is worth. He stated his finest vinyl transfers of the MFSL vinyl then the Blue Box Remasters, cannot come close to how amazing these new remasters are.
cant wait!!!!
Posted on: 02 September 2009 by Lontano
Posted on: 02 September 2009 by pcstockton
ooops
Thanks Lontano. They have fallen off the front page. I assumed there would be much current discussion on this.
thanks
-patrick
Posted on: 02 September 2009 by u5227470736789439
The new issues are terribly over-priced.
I suspect that this may have something to do with the relative lack of discussion.
They should be issued in computer discs [grease-proof paper lined] sleeves in a two boxes. One stereo and one mono at say 25 GBP each box.
That would be a fair price and bring a whole new generation to the music, rather than keeping it as the preserve of rich middle aged people.
On the other hand no doubt the transfers will be widely circulated on illegal sites for nothing, and EMI will have shot themselves in the foot with this.
Fortunately the company's way in reissuing classical music is rather less mercenary.
ATB from George, who is old enough to rememebr quite a few of these things as they were first hit releases!
Posted on: 02 September 2009 by pcstockton
George,
They are over-priced compared to.....
At under $15 per CD it seems relatively reasonable to me.
Plus the new stereo version include a DVD and some bonus disc, plus all new art.
Mono Box has nothing new art wise.
-p
Posted on: 02 September 2009 by u5227470736789439
Dear Patrick,
I don't think the original artwork is worth preserving except as issued for a small number of people who can buy a full LP sized box set at the proposed price with the CDs nicely housed so as not to spoil the properly printed and housed artwork. The whole issue should be a robust box of the sort LP sets used to be issued in. A "Delux Edition," at least for money being asked, and think how much a limited issue like this would be worth to collectors in future yeas, BUT:
For normal lovers of music, I propose something like DG have managed in their Original Masters series of multiple issus.
Excellent transfers to CD, new notes covering the essential details, and a plain box and the discs in paper sleeves, priced at about 2 or 3 GBP per disc. A high quality economy edition to compliment the luxury one ...
No doubt if the issues could be parallel issued, then I would bet the cheap version sold in such numbers as to actually turn a much greater profit for EMI, and prevent what is inevitably going to be a free-for-all of illegal downloading at the price they are being offered at.
I hasten to add that I shall not be doing this illegal thing, but neither will I buy them at the price offered. At a significantly lower price I would buy them and enjoy the nostalgia, but for me the pleasure would not match the high price being asked.
ATB from George
Posted on: 03 September 2009 by mudwolf
There have been several articles in LA Times on the release of box set and the game. I know it was all recorded long ago but the reissuing at about $15/ piece isn't bad. I'm just in such a mess here in the apartment I can't think of putting up that much money.
Posted on: 07 September 2009 by JoexNaim
Just been listening to my new Beatles CD masters stereo box set and I'm sorry to say they are not a patch on the Love album CD. Not a patch!
I don't understand why they sound so poor quality compared to the Love CD. They are slightly better than the the 86 CD pressings. But only just. For me they sound as they have a glassiness/distortion at the top-end. Almost as if someones set the VU meters up too high, just like I used to when recording from CD to tape and had forgotten that I'd moved from chrome to normal tape.
Investigating I noticed every CD has written on it 'enhcanced CD' and also the logo for internet q-movie player. Perhaps this is the reason; the CD's are hybrid!? Why couldn't they just have given us a CD only pressing without the need for a computer mini-documentary on every disc?! Save your money, if your hearing's working, and mine is, you'll find them tiring to listen too. Especially awful are 'Magical Mystery Tour', 'Rubber Soul' and 'Help' Things start to improve once you get to the white album though and 8 track recordings....
However, EMI are to be congratulated on the presentation of every album though. The art-work and graphics are sublime. But the sound...oh dear. Will be listening to the monos shortly and I'm hoping there are no Q movie player extras on those!
Posted on: 07 September 2009 by Philip Tate
Just been in Asda in South Shields and the new CDs were on sale, at a tenner each, two days early. They didn't have the box sets though.
Posted on: 07 September 2009 by Geoff C
Just picked up the Sgt Pepper CD in a local shop for £9.50, will give it a spin later. Packaging looks very good but it lacks a soft sleeve for the disc.
Posted on: 07 September 2009 by DrMark
Question on the stereo remasters; have they done anything about the dreadful use of stereo from the originals (including the vinyl) where most instruments or vocals are channeled to either one speaker or the other? If not it seems like the mono might be the way to go...
Posted on: 07 September 2009 by PS
quote:
They are slightly better than the the 86 CD pressings.
...thats disappointing. The 1 album is better than the 86 pressings IMHO, so does that mean that the 1 album is better then the remasters?
Posted on: 07 September 2009 by Lontano
I have just played Abbey Road. I tried out my original after and IMHO on this disc there is a big difference.
Posted on: 07 September 2009 by Blueknowz
Picled up Rubber Soul & Revolver not had a chance to hear them yet! but judging form the comments above I'm in for a disappointment!
Posted on: 07 September 2009 by Lontano
I have just played Sgt Pepper at a good volume. I have to say I am very impressed with it.
Posted on: 07 September 2009 by PS
quote:
quote:
They are slightly better than the the 86 CD pressings.
...thats disappointing. The 1 album is better than the 86 pressings IMHO, so does that mean that the 1 album is better then the remasters?
....just picked up Magical Mystery Tour (which was the worst recording of the 13 along with the White Album IMHO) from Tesco as a test. It is definitely better than the original. If anything the original sounds glassy and harsh by comparison. I could never listen comfortably to Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane on the original, but the remastered versions sound much better....
Oh well, looks like i'll be re-buying the remaining 12 tomorrow (sigh)

Maybe there is a difference between the albums and the box sets?
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by PS
....I now have seven of the re-masters (courtesy of Tesco & ASDA who are selling them early and cheaper, much to the annoyance of the man at HMV

) - been playing them constantly - not disappointed with any compared to original CD pressings - a fuller more engaging sound quality in all cases - bargain at £9.50 per CD

Posted on: 08 September 2009 by Chumpy
... I am sure that the 2 box-sets etc will be fine for most purchasers.
I ordered stereo remasters a while ago quite cheaply I thought, then cancelled when I found out about the monos. I too am happy with my remaining vinyl/the not great 1987 type CDs - some of which cost £16.99, so £9.95 individually for the new stereo remasters is IMO a good price.
I would fork out £150 for new remasters if c. 16 stereos and c. 10 monos were supplied, but couldn't be a.... to shell out £135+£199 or so.
Because I like the Beatles so much (since 1963), I am happy listening to what I have/have enjoyed them on BBC radio-TV recently/even listening to my ancient 1987-ish CDs (which I used to hate compared to my vinyls).
I find it interesting to read comments posted by listeners to the prematurely released new remasters.
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by PS
...the re-mastered Past Masters is actually quite stunning - sounds as if the're in the room - is that John behind the sofa?

Posted on: 08 September 2009 by Joe Bibb
quote:
Originally posted by DrMark:
Question on the stereo remasters; have they done anything about the dreadful use of stereo from the originals (including the vinyl) where most instruments or vocals are channeled to either one speaker or the other? If not it seems like the mono might be the way to go...
That'll mean buying the set then. The monos are not available individually AFAIK.
Joe
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by BigH47
Amazon tells me our copy of Abbey Road is winging it's way.
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by Luxen
Just bought the Stereo-Set...amazing sound!!!
I had the Ebbetts-versions, but these really rock!!!!
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by Tim
quote:
Originally posted by JoexNaim:
I don't understand why they sound so poor quality compared to the Love CD. They are slightly better than the the 86 CD pressings. But only just.
I believe the Love CD is remixed. The new CDs are remastered - big difference.
Tim
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by Nick Lees
Just spent a delightful 40 minutes in the company of Sgt. Pepper after failing to resist the lure while in Asda this lunchtime.
Then spent 15 minutes or so comparing the old and new Day In The Life. There truly can be no comparison - the new version has an extra level of texture and clarity and what imaging can be salvaged from the usual bizarre stereo mix is much more precise.
The old CD sounds flat and lifeless. The new one, though admittedly very slightly louder is vibrant without appearing artificially dayglow.
I've Abbey Road, Magical Mystery Tour and Revolver in the post (for which I can't wait) but after this (and munch's comments) I can see me falling for Yellow Submarine - the orchestral side is a guilty pleasure for me!
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by Lontano
I totally agree with you Gary. I am very impressed with the two I bought last night when I was sent out to get some dog food

(I just could not resist). I hope my box set now arrives tomorrow as I eagerly want to hear the rest. I have now gifted the two I bought last night to my 10 year old son as part of his continuing musical education.
Was in HMV today and they are not on sale there yet. I bet they are well peed off with the supermarkets.
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by BigH47
quote:
Was in HMV today and they are not on sale there yet. I bet they are well peed off with the supermarkets.
I'm surprised they are still trading , their selections are pathetic, out side the charts.