The Beatles 2009 Remasters
Posted by: pcstockton on 02 September 2009
I am surprised there is not yet a thread on this. Isn't everyone excited? The currently available CDs are utter crap. In fact the first transfer I did was my German DMM (on White Vinyl) of "The Beatles" (White Album).
A buddy of mine (who pre-ordered the limited 10K, Mono Box Set), sent me the following info:
The re-mastering process commenced with an extensive period conducting tests before finally copying the analogue master tapes into the digital medium. When this was completed, the transfer was achieved using a Pro Tools workstation operating at 24 bit 192 kHz resolution via a Prism A-D converter. Transferring was a lengthy procedure done a track at a time. Although EMI tape does not suffer the oxide loss associated with some later analogue tapes, there was nevertheless a slight build up of dust, which was removed from the tape machine heads between each title.
From the onset, considerable thought was given to what audio restorative processes were going to be allowed. It was agreed that electrical clicks, microphone vocal pops, excessive sibilance and bad edits should be improved where possible, so long as it didn't impact on the original integrity of the songs.
In addition, de-noising technology, which is often associated with re-mastering, was to be used, but subtly and sparingly. Eventually, less than five of the 525 minutes of Beatles music was subjected to this process. Finally, as is common with today's music, overall limiting - to increase the volume level of the CD - has been used, but on the stereo versions only. However, it was unanimously agreed that because of the importance of The Beatles' music, limiting would be used moderately, so as to retain the original dynamics of the recordings.
When all of the albums had been transferred, each song was then listened to several times to locate any of the agreed imperfections. These were then dressed by Guy Massey, working with Audio Restoration engineer Simon Gibson.
Mastering could now take place, once the earliest vinyl pressings, along with the existing CDs, were loaded into Pro Tools, thus allowing comparisons to be made with the original master tapes during the equalization process. When an album had been completed, it was auditioned the next day in studio three - a room familiar to the engineers, as all of the recent Beatles mixing projects had taken place in there - and any further alteration of EQ could be addressed back in the mastering room. Following the initial satisfaction of Guy and Steve, Allan Rouse and Mike Heatley then checked each new re-master in yet another location and offered any further suggestions. This continued until all 13 albums were completed to the team's satisfaction.
-Patrick
PS - The new remasters were heard by Dr. Ebbetts and is now officially retiring, for what that is worth. He stated his finest vinyl transfers of the MFSL vinyl then the Blue Box Remasters, cannot come close to how amazing these new remasters are.
cant wait!!!!
Posted on: 08 September 2009 by PS
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I'm surprised they are still trading , their selections are pathetic, out side the charts.
....late and overpriced (£10.99 I believe vs. £9.50 at ASDA). Unfortunately the supermarkets only seem to be stocking the 'obvious' (mainly later) albums (don't want to overshadow Hanna Montana et. al. with excessive Beatlemania!!). I guess I will have to go to HMV tomorrow to gather up the remaining (Please Please Me to Hard Days Night) and White Album/Let It Be. I can then lock myself away till Xmas, He He

Posted on: 09 September 2009 by Luxen
Yesterday night I listened to Sgt Pepper, Rubber Soul and the White album.
Simply wonderful...although I admit I never owned a "regular" Beatles-album before...actually, this was the first time I listened to the White Album...shame on me...
But better late than never.

Posted on: 09 September 2009 by Rockingdoc
My mono box arrived this morning.
Impressed with the packaging, but it's the sound we care about. I've only had time to listen to the White Album so far.
Brilliant. I enjoyed it almost as much as the sound I remember from when I used to lay on my bedroom floor with one ear resting on the grille of the single 4 inch speaker of my valve Dansette record player.
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by shoot6x7
Just Ordered my Mono set from Amazon.ca
Curiously, yesterday they said that they were sold out. Does this mean that there was an initial special set of 10,000 and now there are more ? Or are some of the 10,000 still available ?
Curious ...
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by Lontano
My understanding is that demand stateside was underestimated and the initial 10,000 sold out. They have since been making some more.
What I am unclear on is whether the mono box is limited or not - probably not as they just made some more. Here in UK, it is easily available on the web at the moment, although in the shops it was sold out this morning. Sure is a very nicely packaged set.
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by shoot6x7
Makes sense ...
Although now I'm kicking myself, if they make the mono set a regular item then Amazon will be selling it at 70% of the normal price in a month ...
Oh well ... hopefully the 'extra' cash will help them make a vinyl mono set :-D
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by Brilliant
I was walking through the stores and found Past Masters and the White Album at $16.99 each at Chapters/Indigo-picked then up.
On my system the instrument definition and vocal articulation is quite good but I would say overall they are on the bright side - I would characterize them as 'hot'.I would say try one CD before springing for the stereo box at least. If you get only one of these , get the White Album.
I was disappointed with the local HMV store- they promised a first come first serve here in Montreal on 9.9.9 at 9 but all the MONO box sets were apparently 'reserved' even though I got there 5 minutes after opening time, and there were hardly any people in the store. Well - they will not see me there for quite a while.
If they put out vinyl - I do hope they they revisit the EQ.
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by Don Phillips
Tell me you guys who have heard both sets....
Would a sensible thing be to buy mono versions of the first couple of LPs in mono and Past masters, and the rest in stereo. I cannot see me running to both sets.
Don
Sunny downtown York
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by Lontano
Don - if you want mono then you have to buy the box set. They are not releasing single album versions of the mono.
You can then add the missing albums in stereo.
I am currently listening to Sgt Pepper in mono which is a new experience for me. Not sure what to think yet - good of course, but I am used to the stereo and prefer that at the moment. Time however will tell.
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by Luxen
Same here, dear Lontano.
Have the Monos ripped from a friend, but then bought the Stereo.
Here in Germany, I went also after the price.
Mono is about 300€. Too much for me.
Stereo 199€, pretty ok.
So I will burn some Monos and enjoy the Stereo.
I made a CD with 4 songs from 4 monos and the same songs from the stereos. On my humble system, stereo won.
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by tonym
I've got a mono vinyl Sgt Pepper, and sad to say I prefer the stereo version too...
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by OscillateWildly
No individual mono! GBP 199 for the two albums I'd want, they are not that good. Maybe it is record companies who are killing music? Pay too much, don't listen, or get a rip ...
Heard that the stereo of Rubber Soul is still poor, any improvement re the other recordings?
Cheers,
OW
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by shoot6x7
The vinyl editions are due for release in mid-November.
To be manufactured by the same people who did the Doors box set ...
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by Rockingdoc
Any ideas where to pre-order the vinyl in the UK? Beatles website?
Can't wait to fit a ceramic cartridge and stick a threepenny bit to the head of my SME V and to be transported back in time.
Seriously though, I would be interested in some vinyls. 45 rpm would be nice.
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by PS
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No individual mono! GBP 199 for the two albums I'd want, they are not that good. Maybe it is record companies who are killing music? Pay too much, don't listen, or get a rip ...
...maybe they will release individual mono CD's in the future once the hype has died down?
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by PS
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Heard that the stereo of Rubber Soul is still poor, any improvement re the other recordings?
I now have all the stereo recordings and all are good IMHO, save for the crude stereo imaging on the early stuff...
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by Luxen
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Heard that the stereo of Rubber Soul is still poor, any improvement re the other recordings?
My favourite so far.
Excellent sound on stereo remasters.
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by shoot6x7
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Originally posted by Rockingdoc:
Any ideas where to pre-order the vinyl in the UK? Beatles website?
Can't wait to fit a ceramic cartridge and stick a threepenny bit to the head of my SME V and to be transported back in time.
Seriously though, I would be interested in some vinyls. 45 rpm would be nice.
No more details I'm afraid ... I was told by my local vinyl pusher who's been selling Japanese imports and 180g vinyl for the last twenty years ...
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by John M
I am beginning to get a handle on this, which is smelling like a large pile of marketing manipulation, however glad I am to listen to this great music in a new rendition.
I stood in line at Amoeba records for an hour before opening on 9/9/9 just to get my hands on the "limited" mono box which was sold out online. We only have 30 boxes! Says the store manager, and much hand wringing and counting of people in line ensues. I successfully snared my treasure. Today I find it on amazon at 25% less (although it delivers in 3 weeks time while they hurry up and make a bunch more "limited" editions. )
Another little tricky thing is that the packaging for the mono box set are quite nicely made mini-lp replicas down to the dust sleeves and inserts (Sgt Pepper paper cutouts, White Album pictures, etc.) But I also bought a stereo version White album and find that alot if not all of the individual stereo CDs are not really mini-lp replicas, but different packaging, more like a standard albeit very nice CD package. In addition, it seems the individual stereo versions are enhanced CDs that carry mini-documentary videos to be played on computers. These mini docs are not on the mono box cds AFAIK.
Oh the humanity!!!!
I think I may be having my own financial crisis...
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by David O'Higgins
Stereo box arrived today - so far listened to some of Sergeant Pepper and the White.
It's brilliant compared to the standard CD's.
So why don't people stop whinging about packaging and SACD etc. and wake up to a great new musical experience. The pricing at £10 per CD, or less, is also way below what they cost in real terms when first released.
Wake up and smell the flowers folks!
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by TomK
I initially bought Revolver and Sergeant Pepper with the intention of buying the rest on a weekly or monthly basis over the next few weeks or months but after hearing Revolver I've already bought another half dozen and expect to have the lot by next week. There's not only some pile driving bass to be had, and vocals that are so much clearer, but the electric guitars in particular have a live edge I've not heard on many recent albums, never mind those from forty years ago. Wonderful stuff and it's like I'm eight years old again when I heard Love me Do on the radio for the first time (must have been the BBC Light Programme, and I swear it was the "Silver Beetles") and recognised even then that this something new and exciting.
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by aht
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Originally posted by shoot6x7:
The vinyl editions are due for release in mid-November.
To be manufactured by the same people who did the Doors box set ...
This is not a good sign. The QC on the Doors box (noisy pressings) was terrible.
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by aht
Just got both mono and stereo boxes. So far I've only compared the two Sgt. Peppers, but much to my surprise, I prefer the stereo. Part of this may be that I grew up on the stereo version, and the spacey effects are an important part of the music, IMHO. But that aside, the mono sounds a little dull.
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by Luxen
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So why don't people stop whinging about packaging and SACD etc. and wake up to a great new musical experience. The pricing at £10 per CD, or less, is also way below what they cost in real terms when first released.
Wake up and smell the flowers folks!
Well spoken, Sir.
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by Chris Kelly
I picked up the mono set yesterday at the Rockbox, a local independent retailer. I did get their last copy, and it was £15 cheaper than on amazon.co.uk.
We were having a Naim Uniti day in the shop yesterday so took the chance to start with "Please Please Me". It sounded excellent. Rather ironice that I have to wait til I'm 58 to hear properly an album released when I was 12!
I shall work my way through the whole collection in the coming days.