The Beatles 2009 Remasters
Posted by: pcstockton on 02 September 2009
I am surprised there is not yet a thread on this. Isn't everyone excited? The currently available CDs are utter crap. In fact the first transfer I did was my German DMM (on White Vinyl) of "The Beatles" (White Album).
A buddy of mine (who pre-ordered the limited 10K, Mono Box Set), sent me the following info:
The re-mastering process commenced with an extensive period conducting tests before finally copying the analogue master tapes into the digital medium. When this was completed, the transfer was achieved using a Pro Tools workstation operating at 24 bit 192 kHz resolution via a Prism A-D converter. Transferring was a lengthy procedure done a track at a time. Although EMI tape does not suffer the oxide loss associated with some later analogue tapes, there was nevertheless a slight build up of dust, which was removed from the tape machine heads between each title.
From the onset, considerable thought was given to what audio restorative processes were going to be allowed. It was agreed that electrical clicks, microphone vocal pops, excessive sibilance and bad edits should be improved where possible, so long as it didn't impact on the original integrity of the songs.
In addition, de-noising technology, which is often associated with re-mastering, was to be used, but subtly and sparingly. Eventually, less than five of the 525 minutes of Beatles music was subjected to this process. Finally, as is common with today's music, overall limiting - to increase the volume level of the CD - has been used, but on the stereo versions only. However, it was unanimously agreed that because of the importance of The Beatles' music, limiting would be used moderately, so as to retain the original dynamics of the recordings.
When all of the albums had been transferred, each song was then listened to several times to locate any of the agreed imperfections. These were then dressed by Guy Massey, working with Audio Restoration engineer Simon Gibson.
Mastering could now take place, once the earliest vinyl pressings, along with the existing CDs, were loaded into Pro Tools, thus allowing comparisons to be made with the original master tapes during the equalization process. When an album had been completed, it was auditioned the next day in studio three - a room familiar to the engineers, as all of the recent Beatles mixing projects had taken place in there - and any further alteration of EQ could be addressed back in the mastering room. Following the initial satisfaction of Guy and Steve, Allan Rouse and Mike Heatley then checked each new re-master in yet another location and offered any further suggestions. This continued until all 13 albums were completed to the team's satisfaction.
-Patrick
PS - The new remasters were heard by Dr. Ebbetts and is now officially retiring, for what that is worth. He stated his finest vinyl transfers of the MFSL vinyl then the Blue Box Remasters, cannot come close to how amazing these new remasters are.
cant wait!!!!
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by Rockingdoc
A couple of days into the Mono box and it just keeps getting better. I can't believe how much of my head's internal wiring must have been put together by this stuff, from the memories fired up, but which remained silent for the nasty re-mixes/re-masters. As a starving student I sold my original mono vinyl White album. Someone had nicked the inserts too. I see mint ones are fetching 400 quid now. I think I got a fiver.
Now, where do I find a CD player that works backwards for Revolution 9? Tried turning it backwards by hand, like in the old days, but my CDS2 didn't seem to approve.
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by Vaughn3D
I picked up Sgt. Peppers & Abbey Road yesterday. I was particularly impressed with the vocals on She's Leaving Home, they seemed to just float through the air...
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by Kevin-W
Got the Mono box yesterday. Only listened to the White Album (from start to finish, even including Revolution 9) so far. Blimey is all I can say. The sound is stunning, even on my relatively humble system.
"Yer Blues" is immense, sounds like Led Zep. The acoustic songs from the old Side Two are just right there in the room with you, "Long Long Long" is even more world-weary (George's underrated masterpiece IMO), my fave Fabs song "Happiness Is a Warm Gun" sounds even more elliptical...
I'm speechless, can't wait to hear the rest. Even though I have them all on vinyl, I've never heard the Fabs sounding like this.
Big up to EMI for the attention to detail on this set too - I think the packaging is top-notch.
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by JohanR
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We were having a Naim Uniti day in the shop yesterday so took the chance to start with "Please Please Me". It sounded excellent. Rather ironice that I have to wait til I'm 58 to hear properly an album released when I was 12!
Hehe! And going to the concerts at that time wouldn't have helped either with all the screaming...
I have ordered the mono one.
JohanR
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by nicnaim
Johan,
You will not be disappointed. I have been working my way through them for the last two days and enjoying them immensely. The only duffer is Beatles For Sale, which reminds me why I never had it in any format previously. The jump in the quality of the material from that album to Rubber Soul shows even more starkly their evolution as a band.
Regards
Nic
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by Clive B
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Heard that the stereo of Rubber Soul is still poor, any improvement re the other recordings?
On first hearing, I'm afraid I have to agree. I've got the stereo LP and the earlier CD release, and, although a bit better than the CD (drums and bass certainly cleaner, with more leading edge attack), I don't think it's any better than the LP at all, and like most CDs the remaster seems to sound harsher (less 'warm') than the LP. One thing I would say though is that the remaster does appear slightly compressed compared to either the LP or earlier CD.
Still, that was first listen and I may revise my view later. Must go and try out 'Abbey Road' now.
Regards, CB
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by BigH47
Only got Abbey Road, it's as if I've never heard it before, in fact I have never heard it before. Therefore a little difficult to say how good or bad it is , relation to previous offerings.
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by Nick Lees
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Originally posted by BigH47:
Only got Abbey Road, it's as if I've never heard it before, in fact I have never heard it before. Therefore a little difficult to say how good or bad it is , relation to previous offerings.
Howard, you must have been living in a bubble back then :-)
I listened to it yesterday and, as I've never owned a copy of it, it was probably for the first time as a whole album in getting on for 40 years.
Two things struck me. Firstly how good it sounded, though comparisons over such a long period of time may have a few caveats attached (cough), and secondly how it might easily have been only the day before that I'd heard it - almost every note was so etched in my memory. Strange how music can do that.
Played Magical Mystery Tour also and was absolutely bowled over - particularly with the singles side.
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by BigH47
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Howard, you must have been living in a bubble back then :-)
Nah, just listening to other better music.
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What does Sally think of it??
She loves it.
Posted on: 12 September 2009 by Mat Cork
I've picked up Abbey Road, Sgt Peppers, Let it Be, Yellow nSub and Rubber Soul to cheer myself up after a tough working week.
My verdict - sound great, mini doco's good and packaging nice...what's not to like?
I did a quick A-B with the vinyl and the cd's stand up well. Bungle's drumming seems a lot more focussed on the discs.
Posted on: 12 September 2009 by Chris Kelly
Collected the stereo set from City Link this morning. Will be giving them a spin later. I love what I have heard of the mono mixes so far. The early albums sound amazing.
Posted on: 12 September 2009 by dougmon
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Originally posted by Chris Kelly:
Collected the stereo set from City Link this morning. Will be giving them a spin later. I love what I have heard of the mono mixes so far. The early albums sound amazing.
This is good to hear. I got the stereo remasters first, then ordered the mono box.
I'm listening to the stereo of "With The Beatles" right now, and it's not bad.
So far I've heard "Past Masters", "Rubber Soul", "Let It Be", "Abbey Road", and "White Album". While I think there are a few things that could be better, by and large I'm enjoying the stereo set.
What to listen to next? "Please Please Me"? "Magical Mystery Tour"? An embarrassment of riches...
Posted on: 12 September 2009 by Blueknowz
So far I have compared Rubber Soul & Revolver to the earlier CDs I have I don't know if they are the 87 versions but,does anyone think that the increased dynamics are a result of the remasters being a little louder than the earlier recordings?
Posted on: 12 September 2009 by Lontano
I think they are a touch louder but not in the bad way that is normal these days. I do think they are clearly better, clearer and cleaner all in a good way. I am also preferring the stereos to the monos by a considerable margin - just more interesting to listen to.
Posted on: 12 September 2009 by shoot6x7
My local record store has a mono set and had the audacity to have a price of $500 on it !
My order is in with Amazon at $289.
Posted on: 12 September 2009 by John M
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Originally posted by David O'Higgins:
Stereo box arrived today - so far listened to some of Sergeant Pepper and the White.
It's brilliant compared to the standard CD's.
So why don't people stop whinging about packaging and SACD etc. and wake up to a great new musical experience. The pricing at £10 per CD, or less, is also way below what they cost in real terms when first released.
Wake up and smell the flowers folks!
Whatever. I love the music, sure, but to me the packaging is half the fun. Its called a discussion. That is what a forum is for.
Posted on: 13 September 2009 by Clive B
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Originally posted by munch:
The mono albums will be avalable on there own just like the stereo albums.
Stu
What is the source of your information, Stu?
Cheers, CB
Posted on: 13 September 2009 by Clive B
Just picked up Sergeant Pepper for £8.75 from Sainsbury's (bargain! - TOP TIP) and have to say that this one really has benefitted from the remastering, more so than either of the other two I've go so far. Sergeant Pepper really comes alive and that's compared to either the 1987 CD version or the LP.
Interesingly, I originally had a non-banded copy of the LP with the gobbledegook in the run out, but swapped it for a Caravan album or some such when I was at school. Eventually I decided I couldn't live without it and bought another copy to replace it; this one is a French pressing, it's banded and has a clean run out at the end of side two. Is this rare?
Regards, CB
Posted on: 13 September 2009 by Mat Cork
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Originally posted by John M:
Whatever. I love the music, sure, but to me the packaging is half the fun. Its called a discussion. That is what a forum is for.
Spot on John...
1) Pristine 180g Jethro Tull Stand Up in a plain sleeve
2) Old copy of above in pop up sleeve, with a few pops.
Option two for me every time...no question.
Posted on: 13 September 2009 by FangfossFlyer
Anyone done a Mono v Stereo comparison?
What did you find?
What did you like...on mono did you play it through 1 speaker or 2?
For me I am waiting for them on vinyl (due 2010 I am told by Diverse Vinyl)...can't wait!
...listening to Rubber Soul right now...sounds Fab!
Richard
Posted on: 13 September 2009 by John M
There is an interesting comparison of the mono vs stereo on us amazon reviews that i thought was helpful
Posted on: 14 September 2009 by PS
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mono vs stereo
I read a review that summarised mono better than stereo up to 'Revolver' (which was swings & roundabouts). Sgt Pepper onwards better in stereo...
Early Beatles in stereo sounds great to me though!
Posted on: 14 September 2009 by graham55
Here's my take.
All Beatles albums up to, and including, Sergeant Pepper were meant really as mono releases. The first four were only originally released in mono (although 'artificial stereo' releases were later issued). From Help! until Sergeant Pepper, both mono and stereo were released, but the group and George Martin concentrated on the mono versions during the mixing process. The stereo versions were meant for the few 'hi-fi nuts' at the time who had the equipment for stereo replay - mainly pipe-and-slippers types, who tended to listen to classical music. The White Album was the changeover, where stereo came to the fore, and the last three albums were never issued in mono (and still can't be bought in mono today).
So, the obvious solution would be to buy the mono box, plus the individual releases of Yellow Submarine (if you must), Abbey Road and Let It Be. It will then be a personal decision whether to start going back, as it were, to get the White Album, Pepper and Revolver in their stereo versions. No need to duplicate Rubber Soul or Help!, as (curiously) the new mono CDs also include the "original stereo mix" of these albums.
(Of course, you'll need to keep your version of Let It Be Naked from a couple of years back, as we get the Spector version here, and anyone with an interest in the Beatles will have to have Love.)
A word or two about the packaging.
The mono box set is pressed in Japan with mini facsimile cardboard sleeves, paper inner sleeves and plastic liners to protect the CDs. Quite beautifully presented, just like opening up a miniature LP.
The stereo issues available in the EU are EU pressings and come in digipack-type cases. (I wonder if it may be possible to get Japanese-pressed stereo CDs in Japan?) They also have documentaries on each CD, playable via your friendly computer.
I also understand that there may have been a degree of messing around with EQ/compression on the stereo CDs which is not on the mono, but I don't know. Others may be able to add to that.
Graham
Posted on: 14 September 2009 by Chumpy
I am aged enough to have lived through original releasing from 1963 when we all heard in mono for quite a while/seldom on 'hifi'/loved the Beatles sound.
When I could afford to buy the original Beatles vinyl they sounded better for me/my wives etc in stereo.
I have heard many versions, but am not yet convinced that anyone with good original STEREO vinyl or 1987 -ish CDs needs to buy new overpriced packages.
I concede that new 2009 'remasters' (from analogue or later bastardised digital) are a brilliant cheap buy in STEREO (if you have no Beatles).
I am sure that I shall buy the 2009 STEREO remasters-eventually the monos when reduced in price.
(Yesterday I saw that FOPP in UK is now selling originally rip-off overpriced Bob 'Tell Tale Signs' 3 disc book big version for £35 - was about £135 when some bought it less than a year ago)...
IMO Beatles sound great (preferably in STEREO) however you hear them (confess I have been lucky enough so far not to hear them on iPod or DAB).
Posted on: 14 September 2009 by PS
....I have bought the stereo versions and will await the inevitable release of seperate mono for Please Please Me through Sgt Pepper once they have screwed as much as is humanly possible from the record buying public on the mono box sets....
...in the shops by Christmas at under a tenner each CD please
