The Beatles 2009 Remasters
Posted by: pcstockton on 02 September 2009
I am surprised there is not yet a thread on this. Isn't everyone excited? The currently available CDs are utter crap. In fact the first transfer I did was my German DMM (on White Vinyl) of "The Beatles" (White Album).
A buddy of mine (who pre-ordered the limited 10K, Mono Box Set), sent me the following info:
The re-mastering process commenced with an extensive period conducting tests before finally copying the analogue master tapes into the digital medium. When this was completed, the transfer was achieved using a Pro Tools workstation operating at 24 bit 192 kHz resolution via a Prism A-D converter. Transferring was a lengthy procedure done a track at a time. Although EMI tape does not suffer the oxide loss associated with some later analogue tapes, there was nevertheless a slight build up of dust, which was removed from the tape machine heads between each title.
From the onset, considerable thought was given to what audio restorative processes were going to be allowed. It was agreed that electrical clicks, microphone vocal pops, excessive sibilance and bad edits should be improved where possible, so long as it didn't impact on the original integrity of the songs.
In addition, de-noising technology, which is often associated with re-mastering, was to be used, but subtly and sparingly. Eventually, less than five of the 525 minutes of Beatles music was subjected to this process. Finally, as is common with today's music, overall limiting - to increase the volume level of the CD - has been used, but on the stereo versions only. However, it was unanimously agreed that because of the importance of The Beatles' music, limiting would be used moderately, so as to retain the original dynamics of the recordings.
When all of the albums had been transferred, each song was then listened to several times to locate any of the agreed imperfections. These were then dressed by Guy Massey, working with Audio Restoration engineer Simon Gibson.
Mastering could now take place, once the earliest vinyl pressings, along with the existing CDs, were loaded into Pro Tools, thus allowing comparisons to be made with the original master tapes during the equalization process. When an album had been completed, it was auditioned the next day in studio three - a room familiar to the engineers, as all of the recent Beatles mixing projects had taken place in there - and any further alteration of EQ could be addressed back in the mastering room. Following the initial satisfaction of Guy and Steve, Allan Rouse and Mike Heatley then checked each new re-master in yet another location and offered any further suggestions. This continued until all 13 albums were completed to the team's satisfaction.
-Patrick
PS - The new remasters were heard by Dr. Ebbetts and is now officially retiring, for what that is worth. He stated his finest vinyl transfers of the MFSL vinyl then the Blue Box Remasters, cannot come close to how amazing these new remasters are.
cant wait!!!!
Posted on: 14 September 2009 by Joe Bibb
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Originally posted by PS:
....I have bought the stereo versions and will await the inevitable release of seperate mono for Please Please Me through Sgt Pepper once they have screwed as much as is humanly possible from the record buying public on the mono box sets....
...in the shops by Christmas at under a tenner each CD please
My plan too. I've bought 'Hard Day's Night' through to 'Let It Be' (except Yellow Submarine) in stereo, but I would like the early ones up to Revolver in mono.
Guess we'll have to be patient.
Hard Days Night will be interesting - it sounds excellent in stereo - better than some of the subsequent albums.
Joe
Posted on: 15 September 2009 by TerryFranks
just a small not just got the remasters and am very please with it yes very dear but worth it tel
Posted on: 15 September 2009 by DrMark
I have bought the stereo remasters of Abbey Road & Sgt Pepper. They are better in sound than the old ones, but IMHO not by a wide enough margin to warrant replacing the entire collection (I have everything) - they should have remixed them to correct the stereo situation that I think is the problem with all Beatles stereo recordings...now THAT I would pay for.
Posted on: 16 September 2009 by Mike-B
I have listened to bits of mono & stereo versions on some of them. I think I am going to get mono on all the older records as that is what I have on the original vinyl records and wot I wuz raised with, and get stereo mixes from ??? which one ??? that is the question.
Whilst all the records up to Abbey Road had both mono & stereo released copy, it was not until The Beatles (White Album) that they used an 8 track machine and stereo became less all L & R ping pong.
But the dilemma for me is Sgt Pepper. (The one before The White) in mono is a very different and IMO much better than the stereo version in the first half. The change from Good Morning to A Day in the Life is so different and dramatically so, but I could not live without the stereo farmyard & hunting stuff.
Opinions???

Posted on: 16 September 2009 by Rockingdoc
I've listened through all the stereo box now, and I'm astonished by the comments that they don't sound very different from previous CDs. I think they are hugely different. They sound as if I had been allowed to mix them i.e. the the bass is whacked right up in the mix and all the nasty high-mids are turned down. This box is a bass players dream. Doesn't sound much like the Beatles' originals, but I've got the mono box for that.
Posted on: 16 September 2009 by shoot6x7
I just got my mono collection from Amazon - put the white album into my Arcam Alpha+ it only outputs on the right speaker, with only a whisper on the left.
My Denon 'lifestyle' system plays it fine ...
Posted on: 16 September 2009 by Don Phillips
Can one of you guys, who is maybe a bit obsessive too, have a listen to Hard Days Night in Mono for me.
I am interested which version(s) they have remastered.
Now, I am not really up on this, but I understand that when the music was produced for the film there was a mad rush to get it onto celluloid, and they packaged with the film versions that later came out in stereo. At least my 1970s LP is stereo, whereas my old CD, and all those I have come across are in Mono.
The stereo version contains totally different edits, particularly noticeable on If I Fell.
Particularly - listen to the second time Paul (?) sings the middle eight. Listen to "would be sad if our new love was in vain".
In the stereo version Paul misses the note on "vain" and seems to snigger. On the mono this note is edited in from the first time the middle bit was sung to cover up the error. There are also some difference in the introductory verse between the two versions. Some chap in an anorak once told me all about it......
The new stereo CD uses the blemished version, as perhaps one would expect (and hope they would not be doing editing at this stage). But what of the mono? What is it a mono version of?? Just the stereo version channelled into one, or what??
Any ideas? Anyone know the full story??
Don, overcast downtown York at dusk.
Posted on: 16 September 2009 by Fraser Hadden
I can't believe that overcast downtown York at dusk offers so little that you are still at your computer at 19:24

In the 'Recording Sessions' book, it is said that there were 15, quite varied, takes of 'If I Fell' but that both mono (3 Mar 64) and stereo (22 June 64) mixes were from Take 15.
So, no explanation there!
Fraser, overcast suburban Ipswich, night.
Posted on: 16 September 2009 by shoot6x7
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Originally posted by shoot6x7:
I just got my mono collection from Amazon - put the white album into my Arcam Alpha+ it only outputs on the right speaker, with only a whisper on the left.
My Denon 'lifestyle' system plays it fine ...
It's fine now ...
I'd moved my cables around a bit and the din wasn't seated properly.
Ain't mono wonderful for showing up your channel problems ...
Posted on: 16 September 2009 by DrMark
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the bass is whacked right up in the mix
That was the biggest difference I noted, but still not enough for me considering the stereo issues on Beatles recordings. They are better, just not by a large enough margin IMO to justify the expense of replacing everything.
Posted on: 17 September 2009 by Joe Bibb
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Originally posted by DrMark:
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the bass is whacked right up in the mix
That was the biggest difference I noted, but still not enough for me considering the stereo issues on Beatles recordings. They are better, just not by a large enough margin IMO to justify the expense of replacing everything.
Some of them are. It depends on the album, but they all seem quite a bit better to me.
Joe
Posted on: 17 September 2009 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Finally played Rubber Soul and Revolver on the biG System...
BLOODY HELL
Posted on: 17 September 2009 by natnc
White album in mono, Abbey Road in stereo, Wow!!!
The Beatles were the reason I wanted to be a musician. I found the 87 cd's dreadful and told myself I would never buy them until they fixed them. 20 years and I didn't. These sets have brought my childhood memories back.
As far as cost goes, I picked up both sets and the Beatles box of vision (not here yet) for less than a used hiline. I think it was quite an upgrade!

Posted on: 17 September 2009 by Diccus62
Great all songs podcast about the Remasters. 'Remastered, not just for audiophiles' well worth a listen. There are other podcasts available on the page.
Listen herePosted on: 17 September 2009 by graham55
I don't mind admitting that I played 'You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" seven or eight times, while sitting in a pub the other night, with tears running down my cheeks.
I suspect that the barmaid thought that I was 'disturbed'. But then I explained the importance and significance of The Beatles, who disbanded 20 years before she was born. I think that she got it, though.
G
Posted on: 18 September 2009 by David O'Higgins
These tunes have been going around in my head both waking and sleeping for 10 days now.It's uncanny. Combination of Beatles and Naim is amazing!
Posted on: 19 September 2009 by Jonathan Gorse
Just interested in views. I have a mixture of Beatles on various formats:
Revolver, Sgt Pepper, The White album, Yellow Submarine on vinyl
Let it Be on original CD
I'm tempted to buy the stereo remaster boxed set but £179 in HMV (have a copy reserved at local store) is hard to justify unless there's a significant improvement in sound.
Would I be better off picking up the albums individually I don't have - cost around a tenner each so for the remaining 8 albums I'd be looking at £80 rather than £180.
I'd welcome views from the forum - how do for example my circa 2000 pressings of the vinyl compare.
Thanks,
Jonathan
Posted on: 19 September 2009 by Max Bass
Finally listened to the remastered Let it Be and Abbey Road albums. WoW, WoW, Wow!!!!!
I honestly can say this is what I've been waiting for!
The sound is so improved. Ringo's drums are finally in the same room with the other instruments, and sound real. There is more of that percussive, calf skin texture I remember when listening to a copy of the mastered tape Beatles (white album) on vinyl.
The improved bass and drums give the music so much more drive, fullness, vibracy(for lack of better words)that really make the songs groove as compared with the lifeless sounding original cd's. I was startled by the first note of the bass on one of the songs. The keyboard instruments are so improved. Especially the Moog synthesizer (forgot that the Beatles were the first band to experiment with it; it has that pioneering quality),and the prepared piano on "for you blue".
Compared Let it Be-Naked with the remastered LIB, and IMHO the remastered sounds better. My only criticism, in general is with some of the guitar parts, and John's vocal. They can have that etched CD quality to them, where you have to turn the volume down. Not sure if anyone else is getting this or perhaps it's my setup.
One other thing. I do like having the collection on cd. Especially the latter albums, as these were sort of conceived and mixed as suites.
Anyway, the packaging is first rate, the bits of liner note history . . . and the Pictures! Great!
It's very exciting to be rediscovering the Beatles again!
Best,
Max
Posted on: 19 September 2009 by DelR
just bought Sgt Pepper (I'm 41 and this is the first time I have owned it, therefore can't compare it to previous editions), I can understand what all the fuss is about.
Does anyone write songs these days with the emotion displayed in 'She's leaving home'?
Seems like I'll end up buying a couple more of the releases.
Posted on: 19 September 2009 by DrMark
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Does anyone write songs these days with the emotion displayed in 'She's leaving home'?
Not in the "mainstream" music industry, where CPAs and MBAs now reign supreme...ironically trying to make every band as successful as the Beatles, but their new business model pretty much precludes it. Oh they may sell more recordings, etc, but the phenomenon that was the Beatles will likely never be seen again, because they in a sense created the music industry of today by everyone trying to mimic their success.
You can't force it...the Beatles just happened...they were the right lads in the right place at the right time in history meeting the right people and having the right new ideas. (And maybe a little bit of taking the right drugs!)

Posted on: 20 September 2009 by Jonathan Gorse
Bl##dy Hell!! Just bought Abbey Road, Rubber Soul and Help and so far have only heard Abbey Road but from the opening bars of Come Together it was blindingly obvious that these albums are a revalation on a good system. There's so much more impact and menace in the bass, drums and guitar - and the bass, it's just sublime. I'm not sure my SBL's have ever gone this deep or this full - I had to look twice to check they hadn't morphed in the night into DBL's!!
Frankly these discs are an utterly essential purchase, I'd live on bread and cheese till Christmas to own them. It will be interesting to see if the Gyrodec can compete with my mint late 90's early 2000's pressings, but I have a bad feeling CD is about to notch up a definitive victory.
I've loved the Beatles all my life but am quite glad I am buying them gradually rather than jumping in with the whole lot now. That way I'm more inclined to take time to appreciate this excess of riches...
Guess what I will be doing today!
Jonathan
Posted on: 20 September 2009 by dougmon
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Originally posted by Jonathan Gorse:
I've loved the Beatles all my life but am quite glad I am buying them gradually rather than jumping in with the whole lot now. That way I'm more inclined to take time to appreciate this excess of riches...
Guess what I will be doing today!
Jonathan
Searching out the Mono Box?
Seriously, I think that at least Sgt. Peppers is better in mono than in stereo. But take my words with a grain of salt; I've never heard a stereo Sgt. Peppers on CD that I liked.
Also, I prefer many of the singles on Mono Masters to those on Past Masters.
Yes, the mono box is expensive, but I think that many of the CDs are far better in mono (Rubber Soul and Revolver being just two).
Of course, this is just my opinion...

Posted on: 20 September 2009 by Jonathan Gorse
Doug,
I'm actually rather keen to hear the albums in mono and a friend has the boxed set so I will try and listen next time I see him. To be honest in a perfect world I'd buy both. I have also dug out my DVD's of the Anthology and the accompanying Anthology book (which is so huge I've only ever dipped into bits of it) so all of that is providing great pleasure too.
I'd strongly recommend the Anthology DVD's if you haven't got them - fascinating stuff!
Isn't it a joy to be rediscovering the greatest band in history all over again?
Jonathan
Posted on: 20 September 2009 by Lontano
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Originally posted by Jonathan Gorse:
I'd strongly recommend the Anthology DVD's if you haven't got them - fascinating stuff!
I have watched the first three episodes so far this week and as you say fascinating. Quite unbelievable looking back and seeing the impact they made at the time.
Posted on: 20 September 2009 by dougmon
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Originally posted by Jonathan Gorse:
I'd strongly recommend the Anthology DVD's if you haven't got them - fascinating stuff!
Isn't it a joy to be rediscovering the greatest band in history all over again?
It really is. I was six or seven when I first heard them (I have siblings who were sixteen and seventeen at the time), and I knew I liked them, but I didn't know they'd become so important to me. I've always had the records in one form or another, but now I really wish I'd hung onto the mono vinyl my older sister threw away.
I'll be watching the Anthology over the next few weeks; it's been years since I've seen it.
For me this brings back the time when it was just fun to listen to music, and I didn't give a rat's a** about social significance.
In a second I'll be getting up on my soapbox and ranting about how Sting and Bono ruined fun pop music for my generation...
