The Beatles 2009 Remasters

Posted by: pcstockton on 02 September 2009

I am surprised there is not yet a thread on this. Isn't everyone excited? The currently available CDs are utter crap. In fact the first transfer I did was my German DMM (on White Vinyl) of "The Beatles" (White Album).

A buddy of mine (who pre-ordered the limited 10K, Mono Box Set), sent me the following info:


The re-mastering process commenced with an extensive period conducting tests before finally copying the analogue master tapes into the digital medium. When this was completed, the transfer was achieved using a Pro Tools workstation operating at 24 bit 192 kHz resolution via a Prism A-D converter. Transferring was a lengthy procedure done a track at a time. Although EMI tape does not suffer the oxide loss associated with some later analogue tapes, there was nevertheless a slight build up of dust, which was removed from the tape machine heads between each title.

From the onset, considerable thought was given to what audio restorative processes were going to be allowed. It was agreed that electrical clicks, microphone vocal pops, excessive sibilance and bad edits should be improved where possible, so long as it didn't impact on the original integrity of the songs.

In addition, de-noising technology, which is often associated with re-mastering, was to be used, but subtly and sparingly. Eventually, less than five of the 525 minutes of Beatles music was subjected to this process. Finally, as is common with today's music, overall limiting - to increase the volume level of the CD - has been used, but on the stereo versions only. However, it was unanimously agreed that because of the importance of The Beatles' music, limiting would be used moderately, so as to retain the original dynamics of the recordings.

When all of the albums had been transferred, each song was then listened to several times to locate any of the agreed imperfections. These were then dressed by Guy Massey, working with Audio Restoration engineer Simon Gibson.

Mastering could now take place, once the earliest vinyl pressings, along with the existing CDs, were loaded into Pro Tools, thus allowing comparisons to be made with the original master tapes during the equalization process. When an album had been completed, it was auditioned the next day in studio three - a room familiar to the engineers, as all of the recent Beatles mixing projects had taken place in there - and any further alteration of EQ could be addressed back in the mastering room. Following the initial satisfaction of Guy and Steve, Allan Rouse and Mike Heatley then checked each new re-master in yet another location and offered any further suggestions. This continued until all 13 albums were completed to the team's satisfaction.

-Patrick

PS - The new remasters were heard by Dr. Ebbetts and is now officially retiring, for what that is worth. He stated his finest vinyl transfers of the MFSL vinyl then the Blue Box Remasters, cannot come close to how amazing these new remasters are.

cant wait!!!!
Posted on: 14 November 2009 by mongo
Just bought the mono set from ebay, should get here wednesday. So i'll find out then if the hype is legitimate.

I intend to listen straight through with nothing else in between to see if it's possible without spoiling the new experience.

Bthw still don't know what a Sony PCM1610 is. Anybody?
Posted on: 14 November 2009 by DenisA
mongo,

Models of PCM adaptors
The Sony PCM-1600 was the first commercial video-based 16-bit recorder (using a special U-matic VCR for a transport), and continues in its 1610 and 1630 incarnations. The 1600 was one of the first systems used for mastering audio compact discs in the early 1980s by many major record labels.

See wiki & The computer music tutorial (late night reading).

and there's more...

Digital Audio Technology - A Primer Part 1 and Part 2
Posted on: 15 November 2009 by mongo
Hi DenisA, and thanks for the link. I do have a healthy interest in all things music related but some of it seems quite beyond me. Mostly to do with the maths of digital reproduction. So i'll read this after lunch. Regards, Paul.
Posted on: 15 November 2009 by DenisA
Paul,

Knowledge is king and now you can expand your kitchen conversations at parties Winker

Denis
Posted on: 17 November 2009 by Mr Underhill
quote:
Originally posted by munch:

looks nice should sound good. Winker


Hope so - just pre-ordered it.

I HAD intended to get the mono box set - and add the three later properly mastered stereo albums ...but I couldn't resist, damn those 24 bits to hell!!!!!!!!!!

M
Posted on: 18 November 2009 by mongo
Mono set arrived an hour ago and now listening to 'please please me'.

I'm convinced!

Unless as a small child, this is the first time i've heard the mono versions in any form and it sounds, to me, rather good indeed.

As to the remastering i've nothing to compare it to as i don't and never have owned the LP's.

All i can say is it's very well worth the loads of cash i paid even up to now ( started on with the beatles).

A joy! Dig deep and enjoy.
Posted on: 18 November 2009 by Rattlesnaic
Maybe Im being silly here but if you've got the stereo set and want mono why not just press the mono button on the pre-amp ?
Posted on: 18 November 2009 by Martin M
quote:
Originally posted by Rattlesnaic:
Maybe Im being silly here but if you've got the stereo set and want mono why not just press the mono button on the pre-amp ?


The mono mixes aren't just summed stereo - they're rather different mixes. Similarly, try Hendrix's Axis Bold as Love in mono, sounds like a well-recorded beat combo with great songs!
Posted on: 21 November 2009 by Mr Underhill
quote:
Originally posted by Rattlesnaic:
Maybe Im being silly here but if you've got the stereo set and want mono why not just press the mono button on the pre-amp ?


R,

There is a good review on the two sets in HiFi World. As Martin says the two sets are very different. The Beatles early albums were remixed when stereo was on the way in, and the engineers did some very weird things; including the usual frig of placing all the vocal in one channel.

Bottom line is that there is no compression on the mono albums.

Hence my intention to get the mono set plus the later albums in stereo as well - but was enticed by 24 bits ...which I'm still thinking about canceling!

M
Posted on: 21 November 2009 by Fraser Hadden
quote:
Originally posted by Rattlesnaic:
Maybe Im being silly here but if you've got the stereo set and want mono why not just press the mono button on the pre-amp ?


Independently of the fact that the mono mixes are different, you can't obtain true mono by 'summing' the stereo channels. Out-of-phase material in the two channels will lead to a degree of cancellation when 'added'.

Fraser
Posted on: 22 November 2009 by Massimo Bertola
quote:
Originally posted by munch:
George Martin and his son did the Love Album.
They did it for the live Show in Las Vagas.

It was a total one off project.

Stu


Stu,

the tracks for >Love< have been re-mixed, the new discs have not. They are only re-mastered.
I think it might be that.

Max
Posted on: 29 November 2009 by mudwolf
I had an interesting encounter buying the set. I took old stuff I didn't want and traded it at Amoeba on Sunset. The guy in front in line was returning boxed sets of everything like Wizard of Oz etc, then out came the Stereo Beatles, I mentioned I wanted it but counter guy said no.

I mentioned it to the guy that took my stuff and he said he'd see what he could do. I left my stuff and bought some other things and was called back to the counter. My trade ins were $70 and he said Beatles would be $180 but took off another $10 because the box has slight dings. He saw my eager puppydog excitement and took pity. Must have been the angel on my shoulder.

Problem was I got home with the treasures and dad had called and mom was in the hospital so I took off and did Thanksgiving with hospital visits, she's back home and fine now. I was feeling awful so went right to my hospital on Saturday, spent all afternoon there. I'm on the mend but I still haven't heard anything I've bought.
Posted on: 10 December 2009 by ightenhill
Just for ease (as some of the stereo releases are now available to buy for £5 and £3) respectively in the local sainsbugs.. Which of the "stereo ones" should actually be stereo and which should one fork out the extra for the mono version to avoid the silly engineering..