LP12 Lingo

Terence

Only do the dem if you have the money to spend. Lingo is much better than Valhalla; more detail, oomph, fun, notes are clearer and more defined etc etc. Do it; you will not be sorry

The Lingo 2 is better than the original, too.

Regards

Mike

And the Armagedon is even better...

Regards
Steve

... but doesn't play 45's without farting about with a motor spindle adapter.

DS

You could try adding an isolation transformer to your deck first.I had an acoustic prescion one on my valhallaed deck for many years , it made a hell of a improvment and is much cheaper than the lingo.
Dont know which companies do them out there though.

Terence

A friend who worked at a Naim dealership in the past, reckoned Lingo sounded INFERIOR to Valhalla.

Naim Armageddon renders the above choices null and void.It pushes the performance of the LP12 to another dimension of musical pleasure. It is also electrically benign.

Audition a Lingo very carefully, before you make a decision. Remember also, that you'll have to disconnect it from the mains, when using other sources.

Good luck.

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Originally posted by kan man:
And the Armagedon is even better...

Regards
Steve

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Steve

genuine question, not a big harrumph etc - have you heard a 'Geddon vs the Lingo 2? That would interest me.

Regards

Mike

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Originally posted by J.N.:
_Terence_

A friend who worked at a Naim dealership in the past, reckoned Lingo sounded INFERIOR to Valhalla.

Audition a Lingo very carefully, before you make a decision. Remember also, that you'll have to disconnect it from the mains, when using other sources.

Good luck.

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JN

the latest incarnation Lingo is some way ahead of the earlier. And you will nedd to disconnect it ( if you only have one plug for source that is - I have no RF problems with mine.)

I agree totally with your comment - audition it first. Much better than being dogmatic.

Regards

Mike

PS second hand Lingo ( Lingii?) 1s available for around £400 or so as Linnies upgrade to L2.

Jonni

Slightly off the wall, but could add more detail about your comments concerning non Lnn?Naim PSU for LP12s ?

Paul

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A friend who worked at a Naim dealership in the past, reckoned Lingo sounded INFERIOR to Valhalla.

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That person was deaf.

Andy.

I found that the Lingo really removed a lot of my listening pleasure.

This may be because mine hadn't been "weeke'd", but I found that it lost some grip over loud transients, and the bass lost some tightness. I well remember a magazine review stating that the reviewer had had to 'un-learn' their expectations before they could fully get to grips with the Lingo. After a year living with it, it began to dawn on me what they had meant.

I swapped to Armageddon, and it sounded just like a much better Valhalla deck. Result! By comparison the Lingo was a lot more 'cerebral', and the Armageddon just sounded more right.

cheers, Martin

E-mail:- MartinPayne at Dial.Pipex.com

Don't know if anyone else tried this, but running a Valhalla from the mains supply through a Armageddon style transformer (without the phase shift components) sounds a lot like an Armageddon...

Jeremy b,Thats what i was talking about ealier.
I had the acoustic presion isolation transformer and the valhalla together.
The acoustic presion costs around £180 compared to the armaggedon,s £600.
Adding it made the sound more focused, tighter rythmic, and a lot more fun.
I now have a lingo 2 but havent tried the isolation transformer on it yet but will soon.
A couple of other companies do isolation transformers of various ratings which could be better.

Terence,

I would add my voice to those urging you to carefully dem a Lingo AT HOME before buying. A home dem of a Lingo I against my Valhalled LP12 (+Ekos/Klyde) revealed no real improvement. I was told by the dealer that this was because the electricity supply in my area was especially clean, but I have no idea whether this is true.

Although others are free to accuse you of being deaf, idiotic, etc. if you don't hear a worthwhile difference, the fact is that you may save yourself a lot of money, as I did. And if you do hear a difference that's worth the money, then you'll be completely confident after buying it that it was money well-spent.

Cheers,
Eric

Mike - I was leaving the door open with ... The Lingo 2 may be better than an Armagedon, I don't know because I found it logistically impossible to do a meaningful dem between the two.

Andy - That person was deaf? Not neccesarily so. I have had three demos of the Lingo. In the first I couldn't hear any real improvements, in the second there were obvious hifi improvements but less rhythm and involvement i.e. I felt it was worse than the Valhalla. In the third demo the Lingo was clearly much better than Valhalla but the Armageddon was significantly better still. There are so many variables at play that I think ymmv should be a standard caveat for any opinion on this forum.

My last dem involved a modified LP12 that could be fed by both power supplies and I listened blind i.e. I didn't know which supply was in use, using unfamiliar music. Results were - undecided on the first two tracks as I was getting to grips with the differences and then on every track after that I was voting conclusively for the Armagedon. For what it's worth, my preference is for the Naim approach to LP12 performance. I like fully Linned TT's but a fully Naimed one sounds much more natural and realistic to my ears.

For any new Armageddon users please note that the performance jumps very significantly if you leave it on permanently (unplug the lead at the back to stop the TT spinning 24*7). I'm very surprised that Naim have designed it with a switch that cuts the mains rather than the feed to the TT.

Regards
Steve

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Originally posted by kan man:
Mike - I was leaving the door open with ... The Lingo 2 may be better than an Armagedon, I don't know because I found it logistically impossible to do a meaningful dem between the two.


Regards
Steve

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Thanks Steve - has anyone else compared?

Regards

Mike

If anyone values Art Dudley's opinion and isn't in a hurry, he indicates in his Listening column in the April Stereophile that he will be doing a comparison between the Lingo and Armageddon in a "future" issue.

Andy

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That person was deaf.

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He's also dead now. I respected his opinions.

Maybe you can replace the Pink Link with the Origin Live supply, which however is reckoned to be inferior.

--Eric

After listening to a Lingo-ed LP12, I have concluded the following:

1) The timing of the music is sacrificed (PRAT reduced)

2) Extra octave of mid/low bass. Mids sound fatter.

3) Drums, esp the kick drums and the snares sound fatter, not like a live presentation.

4) Music less aggressive, more ear pleasing, less fatigue.

5) Suitable for jazz, easy listening, blues. Definitely not for rock.

Any comments?

All opinions are solely my own and not forceful in any nature.

1) Agreed in 2/3 of the dems I had
2)3) Both Lingo and Armagedon give a 'fuller' sound
4) Both Lingo and Armageddon do this.
5) Assume you're saying this because of 1)

I suggest that you audition the Armagedon to resolve 1 and 5.

Regards
Steve

You did move the speaker further out to balance out the deeper bass didn't you?You didn't.That explains the podginess and lack of rythum.
Basically there no way a valhalla is superior to a lingo it just isn't as accurate, unless you like more distortion, that is .
Remmeber when you increase the bass capabilities of a system you need to adjust the speakers to match.

Jonni,

I have not moved my spkrs to compensate for the deep bass as you've mentioned.( I could try later on)

All I did was to listen to the system with the Lingo in place of the Valhalla.

You are probably right that a Valhalla has more distortion that the Lingo, that's what I mentioned in 4).

Cheers!

All opinions are solely my own and not forceful in any nature.