New room, new problems...

Posted by: Top Cat on 05 November 2002

Hi folks. Just moved into a new house, so I've now got a completely different listening room, and I'm astonished at how that really has influenced the sound of the system.

I feel that a lot of the crispness has gone, though there's more weight in the midrange. I'm now sitting around twice the distance from the speakers as they are apart from each other (around 16' versus around 9' apart) - and I've of course lost my old dedicated spur (for now - as soon as I can figure out where the kit is going to sit a spur will follow).

The strange thing is that some tracks sound much better than they did before, which had the speakers slightly closer together but also closer to the listening sofa.

I'm a bit confused. I've not yet tried Cara on the room, but I'm a bit lost as not only is it a new room, but it's also a kind of 'new way of listening' to the system - being further away, it's less 'near-field' and at once sounds less detailed but more together, if that makes any sense at all...

Sure, I've yet to stick the Mana under the speakers (I'm waiting until I'm better able to work out where to place the speakers) and I now have a carpet where before there was a stripped wooden floor, but I feel a bit like everything's been chucked up in the air and I don't really know where to begin!

Question for you: can I be sitting 'too far' from the speakers relative to their distance apart (can't really move them much further apart right now due to other furniture that 'er indoors wants placed in particular places)? Also, given that I'm sitting on a sofa which is placed hard up against the wall, and the system is at the opposite end (in a sort of window recess, though it's a reasonably big window - maybe 12' across), am I asking for trouble - should I bring the speakers further into the room (they're about 1.5' in and fractionally toed) or should I move the sofa forward from the wall a bit or place something behind it to absorb reflections?

Just a lot of questions from a humbled music lover, challenged but not defeated by a new room...

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."
Posted on: 05 November 2002 by Steve G
I think the sofa being hard up against the wall could be a problem. When you're sitting on the sofa try leaning forward and see if that improves the sound.

From your description I'd be inclined to try moving the sofa a few feet closer to the speakers and further from the wall as a first option.

The change from a wooden floor to carpets can have a significant impact - either reducing brightness or perhaps dulling the sound - which may or may not be a problem. I don't recall your old room as being "bright" sounding, so if the new room sounds "duller" that's perhaps not a good thing. At least given the room is a lot bigger you have a lot more options to try, so I'm sure you should be able to sort something out that will work well.

I'm going to have room issues to sort out soon as well, as the planning permission for our house extension has just been approved. That should give me a better sized (approx 18' x 12') room dedicated to AV & hi-fi duties.

Regards
Steve
Posted on: 05 November 2002 by greeny
Of course a lot is personal preferance, and having been used to your old room the new one will certainly take a bit of getting used to.

I have my speakers approx 9' appart and sit approx 15' away so have similar position to you (though I have about 6' behind the sofa also). I think sitting further away gives a more integrated sound, less hifi maybe but I like it better, you are certaily not 'immersed' in the soundstage if you are after that sort of thing.

I would try moving the sofa in from the rear wall a bit so see what effect it has.

Clearly you also need to swap your CD player for a CDX/XPS to get the dynamics you may now be missing!!!!!!!!
Posted on: 05 November 2002 by Top Cat
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Clearly you also need to swap your CD player for a CDX/XPS to get the dynamics you may now be missing

big grin

Nah, tried that and prefered the cd player I ended up buying. However, take your point about the lack of space behind the sofa. I'll try that tonight. The other thing that might be affecting things is the temporary speaker cable I'm using (whilst mine is getting reterminated to fit my amp) - the temp cable is Chord Carnival which is definitely inferior to the NAC A5 that I use in the second system (and infinitely inferior to the cable it's filling in for). Certainly, dynamics aren't lacking in the system, but the presentation is very different to how I have had it in the past (not sure if I like this difference yet...)

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."
Posted on: 05 November 2002 by rocketeer
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Clearly you also need to swap your CD player for a CDX/XPS to get the dynamics you may now be missing!!!!!!!!


Certainly, moving the sofa from the rear wall could also be effective and much less expensive than buying a CDX/XPS! Nevertheless, much of the sonic discontinuities which i was definitely accrediting to room influence, disappeared when i upgraded from a CD3.5 to a CDX!
Posted on: 05 November 2002 by greeny
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Clearly you also need to swap your CD player for a CDX/XPS to get the dynamics you may now be missing!!!!!!!!


rocketeer - This wasn't a serious point, I was just doing a gentle wind up. If you followed with interest/bordom Top Cats quest for a CD player, then you will realise he has convinced himself (even if noone else) he has a top CD player. I've never heard the Opus 21 so can't comment.

It's an interesting point though, you do home demo's etc then move!! You may find alternative components suit your new room better. Clearly a last resort though.
Posted on: 05 November 2002 by Top Cat
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he has convinced himself (even if noone else) he has a top CD player

I don't know about no-one else being convinced...
everyone who has heard it (before the move, I have to add) has been mightily impressed, and everyone who has auditioned one (as opposed to those who claim to have but haven't really - you know who you are) has also been impressed at its performance - and its relatively cheap price (compared to comparable performing cd players) is just a big bonus. Much, much better than a CDX/XPS IMHO...

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you do home demo's etc then move!!

A fact of life, really... I think I'll plug the various dimensions and detail into Cara 2.1 and see what it comes up with (now that I have pulled the computer out of storage)...

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."
Posted on: 05 November 2002 by garth
Have you tried moving your speakers out of the recessed (bay?) window. When I did this and and got a proper flat wall behind my speakers it made a huge difference. More tactile sense, much deeper bass with more impact, etc. Probably a pain in the butt but it was the only thing that really allowed my system to sing.

Best Of Luck,
Garth