Stallion, and others interested in my Mana versus Qs verdict...
Posted by: Steve Toy on 20 September 2001
I have made quite a lengthy posting on the Mana Forum which I don't wish to copy here, so I shall provide the link.
http://manaforum.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=462298155&f=172298155&m=8464058931
Enjoy...
http://manaforum.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=462298155&f=172298155&m=8464058931
Enjoy...
It's always a nice day for it, have a good one 
Steve
[This message was edited by Steven Toy on FRIDAY 21 September 2001 at 05:41.]
...Except that I have told no lies...
I could have, and that would have kept you happy, methinks
As for Mr. Bush's speech, that one was clearly written for the 92 IQ half-wit!
It's a good job he may possibly have a reasonably good *administration* supporting what is nothing more than a puppet. I think British citizens should get a vote, given that we really are their 51st state, although Al Bore is certainly no better.
Personally,I thought Clinton, for all his moral failings was a real statesman.
Are we going to be censored here?
If so, I give up!
As for Tony, I have expressed my apologies, and he has accepted. I think he understands!
No honour lost there, I hope.
I could have, and that would have kept you happy, methinks
As for Mr. Bush's speech, that one was clearly written for the 92 IQ half-wit!
It's a good job he may possibly have a reasonably good *administration* supporting what is nothing more than a puppet. I think British citizens should get a vote, given that we really are their 51st state, although Al Bore is certainly no better.
Personally,I thought Clinton, for all his moral failings was a real statesman.
Are we going to be censored here?
If so, I give up!
As for Tony, I have expressed my apologies, and he has accepted. I think he understands!
No honour lost there, I hope.
It's always a nice day for it, have a good one
Steve.
[This message was edited by Steven Toy on FRIDAY 21 September 2001 at 06:18.]
You see, I am really very silly, as all my friends at Mana will confirm. I think it had something to do with playing these things called tunes - several all at the same time, if I recall. 
It's always a nice day for it, have a good one
Steve
I've had to add a post edit over there. JW won't let you edit postings after half an hour.
It's always a nice day for it, have a good one
Steve
I'll let you carry on banging on about that little typing error for a bit longer if it pleases you so, although I have now, hopefully, cleared it up. You make a personal decision that others are not comfortable with, and they hang you for it at the earliest opportunity.
That strategy is fine for people who never admit their mistakes, and for me and my system, the QS was no mistake.
So, as a result, am I supposed to diss Mana?
Well I haven't, because I still appreciate its merits - hence the confusion!
That strategy is fine for people who never admit their mistakes, and for me and my system, the QS was no mistake.
So, as a result, am I supposed to diss Mana?
Well I haven't, because I still appreciate its merits - hence the confusion!
It's always a nice day for it, have a good one
Steve
You make a personal decision that others are not comfortable with, and they hang you for it at the earliest opportunity.
i am sure you are not referring to my confusion, which you have already cleared.
fwiw, i am never comfortable or uncomfortable with someone else's decision, unless my wife decides to diss (is that the term?) me 
enjoy
ken
[This message was edited by ken c on FRIDAY 21 September 2001 at 18:44.]
I like other peoples' mixes, but I don't do my own.
I think the tune thing is as difficult to define as PR&T. Nobody is saying that a system can play a note out of tune, but simply that a system can fail to deliver the tune at all - it can somehow just get lost in the mix, as other details are brought to the fore. I suppose it is related to Pr&T, in terms of leading edges the beginning, middle - or envelope, and the end - or decay of a note, with its hierarchy of harmonics. If this definition is lost, and the notes blur into each other - accurately pitched as they may be, then the *tune* just goes AWAL.
With the Mana, you are being offered so much more realism, but the overwhelming level of detail can also lose some of the tune - as described above, for me.
Perhaps Mana takes high quality black and white photographs, whilst the QS gives you an impressionist painting - in colour. You choose!
I think the tune thing is as difficult to define as PR&T. Nobody is saying that a system can play a note out of tune, but simply that a system can fail to deliver the tune at all - it can somehow just get lost in the mix, as other details are brought to the fore. I suppose it is related to Pr&T, in terms of leading edges the beginning, middle - or envelope, and the end - or decay of a note, with its hierarchy of harmonics. If this definition is lost, and the notes blur into each other - accurately pitched as they may be, then the *tune* just goes AWAL.
With the Mana, you are being offered so much more realism, but the overwhelming level of detail can also lose some of the tune - as described above, for me.
Perhaps Mana takes high quality black and white photographs, whilst the QS gives you an impressionist painting - in colour. You choose!
It's always a nice day for it, have a good one
Steve
Yes.
It's always a nice day for it, have a good one
Steve
The QS Reference is the perfect complement to a Naim system, as it allows all those Naim attributes of PR&T, and tune to come to the fore... Music is just so much more satisfying on an emotional level. There is less of a need to analyse what you are hearing, and enjoy the music in a most cohesive fashion.
Yes, it doesn't preclude upgrading for better dynamics and detail, but the cohesion will be maintained, as will the essentially musical character.
With Mana it can be forced upon you a little, whereas the QS Ref. tends to sound more laid back, but it plies you with its subtle charms, so that you just don't want to leave...
With Mana, you just leave, expressing how impressive that listening experience was, and how you'd like to come back to hear it again some time.
Do you remember the old adage about men prefering blondes, but marrying brunettes?
well, the QS Reference is the brunette!
Yes, it doesn't preclude upgrading for better dynamics and detail, but the cohesion will be maintained, as will the essentially musical character.
With Mana it can be forced upon you a little, whereas the QS Ref. tends to sound more laid back, but it plies you with its subtle charms, so that you just don't want to leave...
With Mana, you just leave, expressing how impressive that listening experience was, and how you'd like to come back to hear it again some time.
Do you remember the old adage about men prefering blondes, but marrying brunettes?
well, the QS Reference is the brunette!
It's always a nice day for it, have a good one
Steve
I should have known that one was coming... 
I have heard the effects of the QS Reference on all-Naim systems also:
CD5-Flatcap 2/112/150 into Credos, and
CDX/102/Hi/Napsc/250 into Credos,
102-->82 (250 made 102 sound a bit harsh - revealing weaknesses upstream.) Brought to you courtesy of the QS Reference table!
Thankyou!
I have heard the effects of the QS Reference on all-Naim systems also:
CD5-Flatcap 2/112/150 into Credos, and
CDX/102/Hi/Napsc/250 into Credos,
102-->82 (250 made 102 sound a bit harsh - revealing weaknesses upstream.
) Brought to you courtesy of the QS Reference table! Thankyou!
It's always a nice day for it, have a good one
Steve
Say hello to Geoff from me. Is your invite for me to come up still open, BTW?
Not at the same time, obviously. I'd be intereted to learn your findings. If you end up prevaricating, don't let Vuk find out, he gets a bit nasty, you know!
Email me.
Not at the same time, obviously. I'd be intereted to learn your findings. If you end up prevaricating, don't let Vuk find out, he gets a bit nasty, you know!
Email me.
It's always a nice day for it, have a good one
Steve
quote:
What's a humble reader supposed to do with this?
Easy one: go listen for themselves. I write on this forum what I have heard. I only expect people to take my at my word that I am sincere about my findings. I don't expect everyone, or anyone to agree with them. Contradictions are inevitable, given how subjective the human brain is.
I hope that all my postings based on dems, or just listening to my own system, give the same message to all who bother to read them:
Suck it and see!
It's always a nice day for it, have a good one
Steve
[This message was edited by Steven Toy on MONDAY 24 September 2001 at 03:56.]