CDs that prevent Copying

I don't see how that prevents copying. Just seems faulty to me. Copy it onto tape or a CDR (only until a non-faulty version is supplied....) and return the original for a refund.

Paul

Paul - if the disc contains anti-copy coding, David won't be able to make a cdr!
David - you can thank attorneys for this problem, and "intelectual property rights". Here in the States not all anti-copy code discs are marked as such. Quite a few releases were done w/out announcement to see if anyone would actually notice the difference. The industry openly admits that a small percentage of players would be affected, also saying the coding will be inaudible on those not affected.
It's even worse than that I suspect. People who have routinely downloaded updates to their Roxio (formerly Adaptec) burner programs have found the updated software won't burn some discs.
Try getting another copy to see if it won't play since the disc may indeed be defective. If not, then you are in the "small percentage" of people who are affected. I really should take this Anti Copy Code thing into the padded cell ---

If you have a standalone CDR you can play it in analogue or probably digital from a CDP. It would probably then be possible to patch out the glitches...

If you don't have a standalone CDR then you can play it into a PC either analogue or digital dependent on what your PC supports.

I have a digital out on a CDP and a digital in on a PC, so there is no way that the bastards can prevent me copying a CD that will actually play on a CDP. As a matter of principle I will only copy CDs that are 'protected'...

Paul

Thanks for the advice. I don't think the disc is defective because the glitch affects every track, at the beginning of each song. And also just discovered my sony discman could play that damn thing alright, but my cdx won't !! So I'll probably look like a fool when the shop try to show me that the disc is not faulty.

david

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At the flip side of the cd case there is sticker that says the cd is formatted to prevent copying and some cd players may face problems.

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If it says this on the label then they've accepted that there could be a problem with your player. So take it back and get a refund.

Steve B

...with the "take it back" stance. That is plays in your discman or one in the store isn't the point. And with the note on the cd case, you shouldn't have to bring in your CDX to prove it. After all, the usual, "Cannot return if opened" policy rests on the idea that people would buy, copy, and then return. Well, the disk is copy protected and in your case, play protected!

- GregB

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Hi!
Copyprotecting is distroying the soundqualities of cd´s.
I know that in sweden there is some labels that have both cd´s with and without copyprotection. Try and see if this is the case with Hellacopters latest.

Btw I know Hellacopters superficialy so to speak and they themselves prefer vinyl. (They rent a part of the rehearsalstudio wich the band I´m in,have)

If I run in to them I´ll let them of know this problem. I know that they have no problem with copying for own personal use. I would guess that they would like their music to be spread to as many listeners as possible and by that I mean copying to friends too.

They are one of the few bands I know who release lp´s paralell to cd´s and encourages people to buy vinyl. But preventing a good cd replay is most certainly not their fault but the recordcompany, I think.

Gunnar

Gunnar,

You know Thee Hellacopters? Cool !! I am a great fan and I think their present line-up with Strings on lead guitar is the stongest. Every track on High Visibility is a killer. Send my regards to them and hope they will tour this part of the globe soon.

sonic

There's just been a discussion of this subject on BBC Radio in one of the consumer programs. One contributor in the studio said he had 'protected' CDs which would play on only 2 out of 5 supposedly 'red-book' compliant audio CD players in his home.
His advice was chuck-em back to the dealers.

He also claimed Philips were considering suing some of the Record Makers for non-compliance with the red-book spec which Philips own.

The record industry representative was predictably defensive and claimed that 'protected' CDs should play OK on all normal CDPs but might not work in PCs. But we know better don't we

David

David.
When I see them next time I´ll send them a greeting from Singapore. They have been renting a part of my bands rehearsal studio since -96.
Really nice people. Very friendly. (btw they owe us a case of beer and my Stones text and note book ,you know they made a cover of gimme shelter ....)

I don´t know if they are planning to tour round were you live, but if they are then you have a good evening ahead of you. They are even better live than on record. They tour a lot though so who knows?
When I have the chance I would recommend that you listen to Backyard babies (Dregens band used to play guitar with hellacopters) wich are close friends to Hellacopters and if your into a bit more heavy oriented rock Entombed (wich Nicke was a druumer before starting Hellacopters).
Backyard babies were also "lodgers" and Entombed still is.

Of the threee I hold Hellacopters as no 1 and Backyard babies at close no 2.

Gunnar

If the disc won't play properly, take it back, and make sure they know why.

The copy protection schemes are feeling their way onto the market at the moment. If no-one has any problems (read: complains loudly) then it will become universal.

I only have a few CD-R copies, and it wouldn't bother me if I could never make another one.

Copy proection usually works by corrupting the data in ways which will almost certainly have some effect on sound quality.

I think it's time for CD player manufacurers to put a big light on the front of the player which lights up whenever a 'corrupted' section of the disc is encountered (something which might affect sound quality).

Demand zero defects!

cheers, Martin

cd copyprotection.
Wouldn´t surprise me at all if it´s Sony who´s the driving force behind this.

Do you remember when the lp´s had the labels:
Hometaping kills music. Did it? Rather the contrary IMO.

Gunnar

on software on the old style 5 1/4 inch floppy diskettes. One company (at least ) used a laser to burn a mark on the floppy and then wrote the software onto the diskette after identifying where the burn was. A key or pointer was calculated so that diskette could be read correctly (and also check the corrupted spot was in the correct place) during a legitimate install process, however a copy would not work due to the "corrupted" diskette and the lack of burn mark on the copy diskette.

OK so what happens - there was a rush to create software that enable these diskettes to be copied and then installed. As soon as the software producer produced a new copy protection system the breakers would introduce a work around.

It did not take long before these extreme methods were abandoned. And also the price of software dropped like a stone. Remember when a "full " wordprocessor cost £300 or more. Now a full office suite costs from 0 to a few pounds via a preload bundle licence.

Where I am going with this - I think that the CD copy protection schemes will blow themselve out of the water and the price of music will drop further .

However there will be a period of aggravation before the cd publishers realise that the costs of developing copy protection schemes to outwit the hackers will be greater than the revenue they are trying to protect, and copy protection will be dropped

Just my view

Derek