Why the Tories have lost the Election.
Posted by: Tarquin Maynard - Portly on 29 March 2010
1. "Look at him, he's RUBBISH" is not good enough a critique. "Trust us, we'll be OK" is not exactly a powerful or convincing message.
2. Not raising NICs sounds good, until you recall that they do not have any coherant strategy to raise the monies elsewhere. "Further efficiency savings"? That means not giving the lowest paid 2/3rds of Civil Servants a payrise - which not only penalises the (already low paid) lower grades, it by implication feathers the nest of the higher earners.
3. "We'll re-negotiate cotracts": and get sued for Breach of Contract if the result reduces the profit margins of the counterparty.
4. Increase Inheritance Tax thresholds so that c.1000 can benefit is just looking after the old boy network. Most people here, I strongly suspect, have their house as their Nil Rate Band (£325k. )
5. Cameron sounds like an overexcited school boy, and is rapidly losing credibility. His constant habit of calling for the most obvious solution to any problem and either calling Labour "copycats" or "indecisive" is beneath even the 4t Form Debating Society, let alone a man who wants to lead the UK.
6. Nobody seriously believed that Cameron welcomed the recent announcement of the domicility of his most important donor. He did it to avoid the embarrasment of an FoI disclosure. Lord Paul has been an acknowledged non Dom for many years. Its always been known.
7. The state of the economy, and the Government debt, has been caused by greedy banks, not Gordon Brown. The supposed alternative implicit in the Tory polemic is that they'd have let the UK banking system collapse. This would have been economic disaster on a cliched but unprecedented scale.
The Tories are not good enough.
2. Not raising NICs sounds good, until you recall that they do not have any coherant strategy to raise the monies elsewhere. "Further efficiency savings"? That means not giving the lowest paid 2/3rds of Civil Servants a payrise - which not only penalises the (already low paid) lower grades, it by implication feathers the nest of the higher earners.
3. "We'll re-negotiate cotracts": and get sued for Breach of Contract if the result reduces the profit margins of the counterparty.
4. Increase Inheritance Tax thresholds so that c.1000 can benefit is just looking after the old boy network. Most people here, I strongly suspect, have their house as their Nil Rate Band (£325k. )
5. Cameron sounds like an overexcited school boy, and is rapidly losing credibility. His constant habit of calling for the most obvious solution to any problem and either calling Labour "copycats" or "indecisive" is beneath even the 4t Form Debating Society, let alone a man who wants to lead the UK.
6. Nobody seriously believed that Cameron welcomed the recent announcement of the domicility of his most important donor. He did it to avoid the embarrasment of an FoI disclosure. Lord Paul has been an acknowledged non Dom for many years. Its always been known.
7. The state of the economy, and the Government debt, has been caused by greedy banks, not Gordon Brown. The supposed alternative implicit in the Tory polemic is that they'd have let the UK banking system collapse. This would have been economic disaster on a cliched but unprecedented scale.
The Tories are not good enough.
I assumed it was an April fool looking at the other 6 posters they published. Still made me heavequote:Originally posted by dn1:
This poster campaign was reported in the Guardian this morning. Did you check the name of the journalist who wrote the story??
quote:Originally posted by mongo:quote:Originally posted by JamieL_v2:
I must say I was disgusted by the cons' posters I saw in Wakefield this week. Interestingly I have not seen them in Leeds, looks like they are targeting the same kind of voters that voted in deprived areas who could be swayed by morons like the BNP.
Anyway here is the poster, by Saatchi and Saatchi, that I found most unpleasant.
I then realised that with a can of paint it could be improved no end.
Must just nip out to the nearest Halfords.
How can this poster be 'disgusting'? and why might it appeal especially to the BNP nutters?
I found it quite amusing.
It is disgusting because it is using half truth, it uses it in the same way as the Republican campaign did in Massachusetts by using such half truths to slander an opponent.
It is appealing to BNP idiots as it is being put on billboards in the areas where many of the votes are easily swayed by 'tabloid' half truths, and did vote for the BNP recently.
Perhaps the Tories should try and see if they can be elected on their own merits (if they have any).
quote:Originally posted by JamieL_v2:quote:Originally posted by mongo:quote:Originally posted by JamieL_v2:
I must say I was disgusted by the cons' posters I saw in Wakefield this week. Interestingly I have not seen them in Leeds, looks like they are targeting the same kind of voters that voted in deprived areas who could be swayed by morons like the BNP.
Anyway here is the poster, by Saatchi and Saatchi, that I found most unpleasant.
I then realised that with a can of paint it could be improved no end.
Must just nip out to the nearest Halfords.
How can this poster be 'disgusting'? and why might it appeal especially to the BNP nutters?
I found it quite amusing.
It is disgusting because it is using half truth, it uses it in the same way as the Republican campaign did in Massachusetts by using such half truths to slander an opponent.
It is appealing to BNP idiots as it is being put on billboards in the areas where many of the votes are easily swayed by 'tabloid' half truths, and did vote for the BNP recently.
Perhaps the Tories should try and see if they can be elected on their own merits (if they have any).
Politicians, newspapers and advertising firms using 'half truths' ?????
YE GODS!
Whatever next?
quote:Originally posted by JamieL_v2:quote:Originally posted by OscillateWildly:
Through the decades the Labour Party has been considered financially incompetent - '...don't vote Labour, they will ruin the Economy...' - well they outdid themselves this time.
Cheers,
OW
I know you will expect this, but the only reason Labour really outdid themselves with the economy was because they had followed Thatchers ideas and let the City run itself. Brown was entirely to blame for being 'in bed' with the bankers.
The Tories would have done anything different? No they would have done it more so, look at the Republican government in the USA where the real financial crisis started.
At this point the choice seems the least of two evils, or a third choice that is only tactical.
At least two of the choices would leave me with a clean conscience, the third I find abhorrent. The two being Labour or Liberal.
Brown - and pushing property and debt, the Public Sector being a Labour staple.
How would the Conservatives have done? Possibly worse, maybe better - Public Sector waste. What would Management and Unions have done to the UK if the Falklands War had not happened and Labour had got back in? We can't know for certain.
Republicans - even the Democrats are to the right of the Conservatives. And did it all spring from Clinton?
Started in the USA - the US Economy is ahead of the UK's, got to the invent crazy financial instruments stage and house price falls earlier, but the UK was following with its copy of property and personal debt excess, and was allowed to take some of the financial garbage from the US.
General -
I'm not a Conservative, nor am I Labour, Liberal or any other party - having learnt that all parties suck one way or another. When I feel a government/council/mayor has had a fair amount of time and inevitably run the course, I vote 'tactically'. It was the case in 1997, and it's the case now.
Night (time to catch up with my 'Live from Studio Five' viewing, or go to the pub
),OW
This is the most difficult election in which to choose how to vote (for me anyway).
I know the recession is global but you have to ask why we went into it deeper and were at its trough for longer than our european counterparts. I would find it very difficult to vote for Labour. They have done nothing to make me think they can lead us out of this recession. Plus Gordon Brown's smug and insincere grin makes my flesh crawl.
I have never voted Conservative in my life (my Welsh, working class background almost forbids it
). David Cameron seems too evasive and slippery and fails to flesh out the bones of his policies when pushed. It sometimes seems he is unable to explain why his policies are 'better'. Just shaking your head and saying 'You're wrong' is only an argument in a Monty Python sort of way.
Like many, I think Nick Clegg and the Lib-Dems have come out of the TV campaigns the best. I do like a lot of their policies. However, I disagree with his policy of anmesty for some illegal immigrants. If you are here illegally you should be dealt with appropriately. We cannot demonstrate that it can be beneficial to break our laws. Plus, where do we find the money to support them and the family member they are entitled to bring over if they are accepted as legal citizens? In the back of my mind I also wonder if a vote for the Lib-Dems helps to keep Gordon Brown in office in a hung Parliament.
For me this election is more about who I don't want in power than who I do. My decision will most likely be made when I pick up the pencil in the polling booth. I may yet just shut my eyes ....... LOL.
Plaid Cymru anyone?
Regards,
Steve.
I know the recession is global but you have to ask why we went into it deeper and were at its trough for longer than our european counterparts. I would find it very difficult to vote for Labour. They have done nothing to make me think they can lead us out of this recession. Plus Gordon Brown's smug and insincere grin makes my flesh crawl.
I have never voted Conservative in my life (my Welsh, working class background almost forbids it
). David Cameron seems too evasive and slippery and fails to flesh out the bones of his policies when pushed. It sometimes seems he is unable to explain why his policies are 'better'. Just shaking your head and saying 'You're wrong' is only an argument in a Monty Python sort of way.Like many, I think Nick Clegg and the Lib-Dems have come out of the TV campaigns the best. I do like a lot of their policies. However, I disagree with his policy of anmesty for some illegal immigrants. If you are here illegally you should be dealt with appropriately. We cannot demonstrate that it can be beneficial to break our laws. Plus, where do we find the money to support them and the family member they are entitled to bring over if they are accepted as legal citizens? In the back of my mind I also wonder if a vote for the Lib-Dems helps to keep Gordon Brown in office in a hung Parliament.
For me this election is more about who I don't want in power than who I do. My decision will most likely be made when I pick up the pencil in the polling booth. I may yet just shut my eyes ....... LOL.
Plaid Cymru anyone?
Regards,
Steve.
Liberal Democrats - one reason given for the Amnesty; Nick Clegg quote:
"... out of the hands of criminals and into the hands of the taxman"
Cheers,
OW
"... out of the hands of criminals and into the hands of the taxman"
Cheers,
OW
whats the difference.quote:Originally posted by OscillateWildly:
Liberal Democrats - one reason given for the Amnesty; Nick Clegg quote:
"... out of the hands of criminals and into the hands of the taxman"
Cheers,
OW