Why the Tories have lost the Election.

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Originally posted by 151:

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Originally posted by OscillateWildly:
Liberal Democrats - one reason given for the Amnesty; Nick Clegg quote:

"... out of the hands of criminals and into the hands of the taxman"



Cheers,
OW

whats the difference.

Bingo!

Although I'm not eligible to vote in the upcoming UK elections, I still took the below test.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/elections/party-matcher

Looks like my believes have a 75% match with the Conservatives and only a 50% match with Labour and the Liberals.

76% Liberal
65% Conservative
53% Labour.

And I thought I was Conservative! They still have my vote with our first past the post electoral system, though I do agree with many Liberal policies.

ATB from George

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Originally posted by GFFJ:
76% Liberal
65% Conservative
53% Labour.

And I thought I was Conservative! They still have my vote with our first past the post electoral system, though I do agree with many Liberal policies.

ATB from George

I think the matching test is pretty neat, not too long and it doesn't come back with a black and white answer. On reflection my percentages seem pretty accurate and reflect my conservative views on economy and taxation and more liberal views on social issues.

74% Liberal
65% Labour
45% Unmentionable
Where the hell did I get these Tory genes Fortunately I have a Socialist candidate standing to waste my vote on (for Socialist read None of the above on the ballot paper)

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Originally posted by Howlinhounddog:
Where the hell did I get these Tory genes

Labour Party 72%
Liberal Democrats 62%
Conservative Party 41%

A nice little quiz. My results:

Labour : 76%
Lib-Dem: 70%
Con : 53%

Mildy disturbed that there's more than a 50% match with Tory policy, but I take this as a sign of cross-party convergence on the middle ground.

Lib-Dem 76%
Labour 69%
Con 45%

What?! I've got something in common with the Tories? Aarghhh!!!

Mentioned on Channel 4 Dispatches this evening, makes interesting reading How Powerful is YOUR vote
Simply put in your post code to find out what difference your vote can really make.
May just stay in bed Thursday

Wow a lot of Pinkoes!

Wow a lot of Pinkoes!

I am not even though my score indicates I ought to be. My intention is to vote Conservative!

The Liberals have a lot going for them. Let us hope that the Nulabs are routed, and the new social-democratic party in Britain become the Liberals, and not the tired out and patently incompetent, Nulab.

ATB from George

Gordon Brown's speech at Methodist Central Hall in London today. Good old fashioned oratory. The passion behind the principles...


http://politicalscrapbook.net/...eech-to-citizens-uk/

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76% Liberal
65% Conservative
53% Labour.

And I thought I was Conservative!

George,

I never did! I think the test may know something you don't!

David (71% Labour, 60% Lib Dem, 30% Tory )

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Originally posted by warwick:
Gordon Brown's speech at Methodist Central Hall in London today. Good old fashioned oratory. The passion behind the principles...


http://politicalscrapbook.net/...eech-to-citizens-uk/

I am not much interested in rhetoric. Actions over the last 13 years speak louder than any [add your adjective] oratory after that. Blair and Brown would have been shot as traitors in China for their governance, not that I advocate this course of action in the UK.

ATB from George

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Lib-Dem 76%
Labour 69%
Con 45%

What?! I've got something in common with the Tories? Aarghhh!!!

dn1,

I share your pain, albeit with a 15% reduction.

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Blair and Brown would have been shot as traitors in China for their governance

Pardon?

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Blair and Brown would have been shot as traitors in China for their governance

On second thoughts This may be true, as the gateway criteria for that sort of thing is rather lower there. Under the wrong circumstances you can be shot as a traitor in China for carrying a placard or singing the wrong sort of song in a public place.

Well the Chinese shot the man responsible for poisoning milk, and Blair and Brown have poisoned our economy which is not much less serious, IMO.

People will die in poverty over the coming years because of it, so the difference is fairly marginal, I would think. As a result of their incompetence the pension provision and affording vital assistance for the old and disadvantaged will without question be less good than it might have been had we had a government that actually put some economic hay in the barn while the economic sun shone. What we find is the barn is empty before a long and probably very hard winter, economically speaking. Sorry, but Blair and Brown have led this country so badly that people will die in poverty [whatever party forms the next government] as a result of their loose spending, inefficient spending, and their arrogance in refusing to act as a moderator against the worst excesses of capitalism. They diserve to be remembered as the most awfully incompetent leaders that this country has had since the advent of democracy.

ATB from George

Labour 70%
Lib dem 63%
Tory 49%

I'm quite ashamed of the 49% Tory. My father, a former shop steward and life long labour voter would probably have fallen out with me about that.

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Originally posted by GFFJ:
Well the Chinese shot the man responsible for poisoning milk, and Blair and Brown have poisoned our economy which is not much less serious, IMO.

People will die in poverty over the coming years because of it, so the difference is fairly marginal, I would think. As a result of their incompetence the pension provision and affording vital assistance for the old and disadvantaged will without question be less good than it might have been had we had a government that actually put some economic hay in the barn while the economic sun shone. What we find is the barn is empty before a long and probably very hard winter, economically speaking. Sorry, but Blair and Brown have led this country so badly that people will die in poverty [whatever party forms the next government] as a result of their loose spending, inefficient spending, and their arrogance in refusing to act as a moderator against the worst excesses of capitalism. They diserve to be remembered as the most awfully incompetent leaders that this country has had since the advent of democracy.

ATB from George

Plus one.

I wont add to what is already well said indeed.

Paul.

George,

I find a great deal to admire in your contributions to this forum, but your sweeping absolutist predictions of doom and gloom are not, in my opinion, your finest moments. Your last post is however a splendid illustration of the fact that you're not a natural tory voter.

Best wishes,

David

What I find comforting is the fact that as posters on the Naim forum the majority of you are probably on above average incomes, yet there seems to be a definite left leaning mentality here.

It seems to me that if you care about wider society then you simply cannot vote Conservative as my experience of them last time was that they don't care if the NHS or state education collapses because most of their supporters don't use it - their children are privately educated and they have private medical insurance. They don't care if old people or unemployed people are living in poverty so long as they can cut high rate tax or inheritance tax for those who already have so much. They are resolutely anti-union and frankly for the ordinary working man the union is the only thing that protects your income from inflation.

After over ten years labour government what I see is that our local primary school is superbly equipped, modern and clean, the local hospital which I'm currently attending is impressively equipped and efficient. My wife was recently seen by her GP, referred to a specialist within about 3 weeks and is scheduled a (low priority) minor op within 12 weeks. She'd have waited 3 years under Maggie.

We received some government help with childcare costs - all new initiatives under Labour, more people than ever are going to University, our mortgage has plummeted in terms of repayments, manufacturing industry e.g. Naim, motor industry etc seems to be doing better than it did under the last Conservative Government - in short I'm happy with Labour's achievements and the fact they do care about those less fortunate.

There have been gaffes - the raid on pension schemes, non-Dom tax, Iraq and a too lax immigration policy but on balance it's not a bad record.

The frustrating thing is that living where I do (Chichester constituency) I haven't a hope of getting Labour in so am voting Liberal for tactical reasons. My sole objective remains stopping the Tories getting back in, ever.

I think tactical voting is going to be incredibly important this time and I find the idea of a hung parliament with Lib-Lab coalition rather refreshing.

As somebody who should demographically vote Conservative (public school educated, live in Sussex, high rate tax payer, white collar) even I'm astounded at how nauseating I find the prospect of a Conservative victory and how vitriolic I feel towards them!!

Jonathan

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Originally posted by GFFJ:
Well the Chinese shot the man responsible for poisoning milk, and Blair and Brown have poisoned our economy which is not much less serious, IMO.

People will die in poverty over the coming years because of it, so the difference is fairly marginal, I would think. As a result of their incompetence the pension provision and affording vital assistance for the old and disadvantaged will without question be less good than it might have been had we had a government that actually put some economic hay in the barn while the economic sun shone. What we find is the barn is empty before a long and probably very hard winter, economically speaking. Sorry, but Blair and Brown have led this country so badly that people will die in poverty [whatever party forms the next government] as a result of their loose spending, inefficient spending, and their arrogance in refusing to act as a moderator against the worst excesses of capitalism. They diserve to be remembered as the most awfully incompetent leaders that this country has had since the advent of democracy.

ATB from George

George, do you really think it would have been different under a Conservative government? Historically, they have favoured even less regulation of the financial sector, in the headlong rush to globalisation, and its alleged benefits. No power on earth could make me vote for smug Cameron and his bunch of Nu-Cons.

Jonathan,

I agree with every word. The terrible thing is that people have forgotten what the Thatcher/Major government was like - or else they didn't live through it. The Tories make slightly different noises now, but how much have they changed? There's been no Kinnock style-purge of the right wingers.

I think many tory voters are lambs to the slaughter. They don't know what they're letting themselves in for.