Jackson Cleared
Posted by: long-time-dead on 13 June 2005
... but would you let him babysit your child ?
Discuss.
Discuss.
quote:I have had them stay at my house, and in fact in my bed
This makes me feel uneasy. Why? I don't know but it does.
He protests too loud...
PS: I hated the very fact that men are perceived as perverts from when I was a teacher. Nothing ever happened to me but I know of innocent male colleagues who got compromised (as a deflection ruse for their bad behaviour) by pupils. One of them even spent a couple of days in nick before the accusation was withdrawn, and his teaching career was destroyed before it even properly began.
Did a bloody good job that lawyer, amazing how nobodys's mentioned him, now I wonder why that is ?
Fritz Von Clever Bastards
Fritz Von Clever Bastards
We forget the madman of a local DA who's got it in for Jackson bigstyle, he has enough power to still give this innocent man grievence through sheer hatred, we'll see won't we ?
Fritz Von Vendetta's abound
Fritz Von Vendetta's abound
Deano old chap, as far as I'm aware this individual was tantamount in bringing this recent farce to court, as a result of building a case (ten charges) on the basis of previous supposition & the British Bashir documentary. He's oppüenly made it clear (Vietnam Vet as he likes to portray himself) that he will get Jackson eventually, in my world that's called a personal Vendetta, what do you call it in New Zealand ?
Not too mention the ludicrous costs involved allround:
Fritz Von I bet Tasmania would have liked some compensation from Britain once ?
Not too mention the ludicrous costs involved allround:
Fritz Von I bet Tasmania would have liked some compensation from Britain once ?
A German friend of mine who's studying English (I've learnt a lot) e-mailed me last night to comment on this thread which I'd mentioned she may find interesting, innit. She read/saw it for the first time yesterday and commented that she had the distinct impression that the majority of posters on it were pretty dissapointed that Jackson was totally exonerrated of all charges?
Fritz Von She may well have a point there too I reckon, innit?
Fritz Von She may well have a point there too I reckon, innit?
quote:Originally posted by Steve Toy:quote:I have had them stay at my house, and in fact in my bed
This makes me feel uneasy. Why? I don't know but it does.
He protests too loud...
I have to say, that I also felt uneasy when my nephew and neice jumped into bed with me early in morning - it was obviously a very natural thing for them and something that they regularly did with with their mum and dad.
The only reason I felt uneasy I think was because to them it was so natural, an everyday occurance and I didn't know how to react.
My brother and his wife laughed their heads off when I told them.
Protesting loudly? Kneejerk reaction? Maybe; I was pretty anoyed when I wrote my first post and I still find it hard to believe Dean F's post, which to me suggests that a single man isn't fit to host children overnight.
Anyone who leaves their own children in the care of anyone else, has to have full confidence in their ability and integrity.
I do find it most odd that a parent would feel, the quite obviously "wacko" Jacko, fit as such.
If I had any doubts (or kids) I certainly wouldn't leave my own kids in such a situation.
Deane F said:
I think that's a very hard one to answer. I in no way condone sexual abuse of children, or anyone for that matter, however sometimes the impression I get is that some adults who experienced sexual encounters/abuse at say puberty as a child, with an older adult, simply 'merge' the experience into a growing one of further sexual experimentation with other partners closer to their own age. I might be wrong, but it's certainly an impression I get.
On the other hand, no doubt some young children are deeply affected by it, and I certainly wouldn't diminish that, howver I also feel that some adults who were sexually exploited/abused as children, seem to use it as an excuse for every other ill that besets them in life.
Most people are lucky if they don't have some horrible experiences growing up, in some area or other of their life; few people are immune IMHO from disaster/emotional crises in childhood/youth; the longterm results/consequences can also come down to how well one endeavours to 'get over it' and move on in life.
Not easy, but a fair number of 'damaged' adults I have meet in life, blame the world, and everyone around them for their life's miserys, based upon hurts/trauma from the past, childhood even, without making any attempt to 'let it go' and move on.
So they stay 'rooted' in the past, and continue to experience the pain everyday, as if that is their reason for existence, or rather the principal way they can get attention, or others interest.
Rather than take responsibility for their lives, it seems easier to blame 'failure' or inability to set about tackling lifes problems, on some event that happened 20 or 30 years ago.
One then has to try to discern whether a dysfunctional individual is that way because of the effects of sexual abuse, or whether the sexual abuse is merely an 'excuse' or 'crutch' for a whole lot of other problems.
Certainly I find it very hard to give a concrete answer, and am unsure if there really is one.
Very true, but I would like to point out that it is not gender based. I have a friend, who as an international exchange student, was sexually abused by the adult mother of his host family.
Males are usually seen as being the chief instigators of sexual abuse, and that may or may not be so, but certainly woman are no less lecherous IMHO.
There was recent outcry here where a woman school teacher received an very light scentence for sexually abusing a male minor, whereas a male teacher who abused a female minor, had the book thrown at him.
As a single male, I find it offensive that from time to time, woman that I meet as strangers, in the course of my work environment, certainly give me the impression that all men are 'bastards/rapists' etc, and that as I am a male, I must be one. I make this comment based upon their behaviour and comments towards me. It hasn't happened often, but enough to annoy me - granted the individuals involved may have had hidden problems/agenda.
A few years back, a male taxi driver was awarded a substantial sum of compensation, for being a victim of crime - raped at knifepoint by a female. The court accepted the various police, and forensic physcologist reports necessary for such an outcome - you'd have to be one very smart lier to get past all of that.
I told the tale once to a group of women, when they were giving me one of those 'all men are bastards' routine. You know what? - not only did they not believe it, but they laughed and said, quote: "he must have enjoyed it" - so as I say, sexual abuse/assault/rape etc is NOT just a male (single or otherwise) thing.
Best Regards
John...
quote:How many people have a full appreciation (and I mean *full* appreciation) of the damage sexual abuse does to the psyche of a child and the adult that that child becomes?
I think that's a very hard one to answer. I in no way condone sexual abuse of children, or anyone for that matter, however sometimes the impression I get is that some adults who experienced sexual encounters/abuse at say puberty as a child, with an older adult, simply 'merge' the experience into a growing one of further sexual experimentation with other partners closer to their own age. I might be wrong, but it's certainly an impression I get.
On the other hand, no doubt some young children are deeply affected by it, and I certainly wouldn't diminish that, howver I also feel that some adults who were sexually exploited/abused as children, seem to use it as an excuse for every other ill that besets them in life.
Most people are lucky if they don't have some horrible experiences growing up, in some area or other of their life; few people are immune IMHO from disaster/emotional crises in childhood/youth; the longterm results/consequences can also come down to how well one endeavours to 'get over it' and move on in life.
Not easy, but a fair number of 'damaged' adults I have meet in life, blame the world, and everyone around them for their life's miserys, based upon hurts/trauma from the past, childhood even, without making any attempt to 'let it go' and move on.
So they stay 'rooted' in the past, and continue to experience the pain everyday, as if that is their reason for existence, or rather the principal way they can get attention, or others interest.
Rather than take responsibility for their lives, it seems easier to blame 'failure' or inability to set about tackling lifes problems, on some event that happened 20 or 30 years ago.
One then has to try to discern whether a dysfunctional individual is that way because of the effects of sexual abuse, or whether the sexual abuse is merely an 'excuse' or 'crutch' for a whole lot of other problems.
Certainly I find it very hard to give a concrete answer, and am unsure if there really is one.
quote:but it is a fact that most sexual abuse is perpetrated by family members or close acquaitances so just sticking with family is no protection from anything. Nor is there ever even the whisper of danger from abusers - if there were then they would never be given the oportunity to abuse.
Very true, but I would like to point out that it is not gender based. I have a friend, who as an international exchange student, was sexually abused by the adult mother of his host family.
Males are usually seen as being the chief instigators of sexual abuse, and that may or may not be so, but certainly woman are no less lecherous IMHO.
There was recent outcry here where a woman school teacher received an very light scentence for sexually abusing a male minor, whereas a male teacher who abused a female minor, had the book thrown at him.
As a single male, I find it offensive that from time to time, woman that I meet as strangers, in the course of my work environment, certainly give me the impression that all men are 'bastards/rapists' etc, and that as I am a male, I must be one. I make this comment based upon their behaviour and comments towards me. It hasn't happened often, but enough to annoy me - granted the individuals involved may have had hidden problems/agenda.
A few years back, a male taxi driver was awarded a substantial sum of compensation, for being a victim of crime - raped at knifepoint by a female. The court accepted the various police, and forensic physcologist reports necessary for such an outcome - you'd have to be one very smart lier to get past all of that.
I told the tale once to a group of women, when they were giving me one of those 'all men are bastards' routine. You know what? - not only did they not believe it, but they laughed and said, quote: "he must have enjoyed it" - so as I say, sexual abuse/assault/rape etc is NOT just a male (single or otherwise) thing.
Best Regards
John...
It seems to me that virtually all of these highly repetitive posts are exact copies of the Jonathon King threads, rantin & a'ravin ?
Fritz Von Though he's Gay of course
Fritz Von Though he's Gay of course
quote:Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
It seems to me that virtually all of these highly repetitive posts are exact copies of the Jonathon King threads, rantin & a'ravin ?
Waddya 'xpect from us steero .. us stereo .. us s-t-e-r-e-o-k-y ... from blokes like us?
Yes, I suppose you're right me old carrot cruncher, innit.
Fritz Von Quickly forget it and start all over again a month later; it's almost Prime Ministerial, innit? Now I really must get myself a nice bonnet for Ascot later, I wonder if I'll see Our Mat there with his jolly japers squaffing fizz for HM Gutter Press ?
Fritz Von Quickly forget it and start all over again a month later; it's almost Prime Ministerial, innit?
Now I really must get myself a nice bonnet for Ascot later, I wonder if I'll see Our Mat there with his jolly japers squaffing fizz for HM Gutter Press ?