Tubular Bells 2003
Posted by: Ron Toolsie on 17 August 2003
Yes, another Mike Oldfield thread.
Yesterday I got the 30th Anniversary version of MO's oevre. Unlike TB2 and TB3 this attempts to be entirely faithful to the original version down to the second. The biggest difference is that it was recorded with 2003 technology instead of 1973 sound-on-sound-on-sound-on-sound multitracking. It is also indexed for each vignette instead of merely Pts 1 (side 1) and part 2.
I must say that I enjoyed TB2, but never really connected to it. The less said about TB3, the better. But this 'version' is really a revelation into the layering of the sounds of the original. Much of the bass, but not all of it is done via keyboards and is DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP and visceral. If you hated the original version, this will not change your mind, but for people like ME............bring it ON!
Ron
Dum spiro audio
Dum audio vivo
Yesterday I got the 30th Anniversary version of MO's oevre. Unlike TB2 and TB3 this attempts to be entirely faithful to the original version down to the second. The biggest difference is that it was recorded with 2003 technology instead of 1973 sound-on-sound-on-sound-on-sound multitracking. It is also indexed for each vignette instead of merely Pts 1 (side 1) and part 2.
I must say that I enjoyed TB2, but never really connected to it. The less said about TB3, the better. But this 'version' is really a revelation into the layering of the sounds of the original. Much of the bass, but not all of it is done via keyboards and is DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP and visceral. If you hated the original version, this will not change your mind, but for people like ME............bring it ON!
Ron
Dum spiro audio
Dum audio vivo
Posted on: 18 August 2003 by HTK
Hi Ron
Is the Vivian Stanshall walk around included? I don't know if it was even on TB1 but it was on a boxed set which included TB. Not the voice over, but a little bit of sillyness tacked onto the end.
Cheers
Harry
Is the Vivian Stanshall walk around included? I don't know if it was even on TB1 but it was on a boxed set which included TB. Not the voice over, but a little bit of sillyness tacked onto the end.
Cheers
Harry
Posted on: 18 August 2003 by greeny
quote:
Is the Vivian Stanshall walk around included?
I think it's done by John Cleese (seriously).
I like TB1. TB2 is Ok but you keep hearing the original theams and wishing it would go down the TB1 route. If you've never heard TB1, I would say TB2 is quite good though.
I've listened to a fair bit of Mike oldfield recently after buying TB2 about a year ago.
Anyway Herest Ridge is OK, but clearly in the shadow of TB1 with many similarities, but not nearly as Good.
Ommadawn is however IMO a masterpiece, I think it is a long way better than TB and probably up there in my top few dozen albums. Anyone without this album that like's this sort of think should buy it at once.
Posted on: 18 August 2003 by Chris L
quote:
Originally posted by greeny:quote:
Is the Vivian Stanshall walk around included?
I think it's done by John Cleese (seriously).
Nope, definately Viv Stanshall - and very funny it is, too.
see:
Boxed
Chris L
Posted on: 18 August 2003 by Ron Toolsie
Viv vs Basil
You are both right... it was Viv doing the voices on TB1973. However on TB2003 it is John Cleese, Viv having successfully shuffled off this mortal coil some time ago.
Ron
Dum spiro audio
Dum audio vivo
You are both right... it was Viv doing the voices on TB1973. However on TB2003 it is John Cleese, Viv having successfully shuffled off this mortal coil some time ago.
Ron
Dum spiro audio
Dum audio vivo
Posted on: 18 August 2003 by HTK
That's interesting.
So does anyone know if Viv's 1973 rollock made it onto the end of TB2003? I'm thinking probably not.
Cheers
So does anyone know if Viv's 1973 rollock made it onto the end of TB2003? I'm thinking probably not.
Cheers
Posted on: 19 August 2003 by Rico
when depeche mode bleated about "just can't get enough" I'm sure mike oldfields "two, slightly distored guitars" did not enter the vacuum. You mean this is as popular as a Rocky I, II, III, IV or V?
I, II, III, and now v2003? Crikey, I might have to dig out the Sony BHF I plopped down so many years ago, whack it into the Nak, and see if it's stood the test of time.
Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
PS - is it on V2?
I, II, III, and now v2003? Crikey, I might have to dig out the Sony BHF I plopped down so many years ago, whack it into the Nak, and see if it's stood the test of time.
Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
PS - is it on V2?
Posted on: 19 August 2003 by greeny
quote:
You are both right... it was Viv doing the voices on TB1973. However on TB2003 it is John Cleese, Viv having successfully shuffled off this mortal coil some time ago
Yes this is what I meant, I've got to admit I quit elike the idea of a rerecording almost note for note. As I said TB2 I think suffers from being similar but not the same. However TB2003 was somewhat slated by Q who commented that Viv Stanshall must be spinning in his grave, and it was digitally antiseptic.
Anyway Ommadawn is better!!
Posted on: 19 August 2003 by Graeme Cree
And don't forget the bloody thing is copy protected. My CDX "hiccups" every 30 seconds or so - guess it's time to get PICed.
I got the extra DVD with mine to see what the 5.1 mixes sound like - not bad, even though they couldn't be bothered to run the video sequence with the 5.1 mixes - just with the stereo. How weird is that?
TTFN
Graeme
[This message was edited by Graeme Cree on TUESDAY 19 August 2003 at 20:41.]
I got the extra DVD with mine to see what the 5.1 mixes sound like - not bad, even though they couldn't be bothered to run the video sequence with the 5.1 mixes - just with the stereo. How weird is that?
TTFN
Graeme
[This message was edited by Graeme Cree on TUESDAY 19 August 2003 at 20:41.]
Posted on: 19 August 2003 by HTK
Thanks for the heads up on the copy protection Graeme. I wasn't going to rush out and buy it immediately but now it's off my medium term shopping list.
Posted on: 19 August 2003 by Geoff P
Just dropping in on what looks like a topic that has been going on for some time so apologies if I am talking
about something already discussed.
Has anybody else heard the multi-channel SACD version of TB1?
I picked it up recently when I was out in the US. Setting aside the ongoing discussion on the relative merits of
multi-channel for "normal" music I feel it appropriate to quote from the sleeve notes that come with this Disc, by
Simon Heyworth, who mastered the SACD version
"Sony & Philips were planning 5.1 multitrack recordings. I said what about Tubular bells and they jumped on it.
Tubular bells was a ground breaker in stereo and the mere fact that a multi-channel mix was done in 1975 (for the
then to fail quadrophonic system) makes it all the more extraordinary. When I was mastering the Quad version I
realised TB is in many respects a perfect piece of music for this (multichannel SACD) format and shows off the
virtuosity of Mike as a multi instrumentalist.
It's fantastic to hear the 'air' around the acoustic instruments and all played by the same guy!"
I have listened to the disc several times now and have to agree with these sentiments. For the purists it will
never be correct but it is bloody good.
If you have the gear check it out!
Incidentally there are some interesting notes by Phil Newell who was responsible for the 1975 multitrack mastering
used for this SACD which include some description of corrections and recovery actions that had to be taken at that
time to get TB into multichannel at all.
I can "publish" these if there is any ineterest.
regards
GEOFFP
about something already discussed.
Has anybody else heard the multi-channel SACD version of TB1?
I picked it up recently when I was out in the US. Setting aside the ongoing discussion on the relative merits of
multi-channel for "normal" music I feel it appropriate to quote from the sleeve notes that come with this Disc, by
Simon Heyworth, who mastered the SACD version
"Sony & Philips were planning 5.1 multitrack recordings. I said what about Tubular bells and they jumped on it.
Tubular bells was a ground breaker in stereo and the mere fact that a multi-channel mix was done in 1975 (for the
then to fail quadrophonic system) makes it all the more extraordinary. When I was mastering the Quad version I
realised TB is in many respects a perfect piece of music for this (multichannel SACD) format and shows off the
virtuosity of Mike as a multi instrumentalist.
It's fantastic to hear the 'air' around the acoustic instruments and all played by the same guy!"
I have listened to the disc several times now and have to agree with these sentiments. For the purists it will
never be correct but it is bloody good.
If you have the gear check it out!
Incidentally there are some interesting notes by Phil Newell who was responsible for the 1975 multitrack mastering
used for this SACD which include some description of corrections and recovery actions that had to be taken at that
time to get TB into multichannel at all.
I can "publish" these if there is any ineterest.
regards
GEOFFP
Posted on: 19 August 2003 by Geoff P
Sorry for the wierd line spacing. I wrote the text offline in notepad then pasted it in.
The formatting went screwy
regards
GEOFFP
The formatting went screwy
regards
GEOFFP
Posted on: 28 August 2003 by J.N.
Dee de de de dee.....
Rather splendid I reckon.
It's very easy for 'musos' to knock it; but it was musically brave and technically superb in its day.
OK; maybe it's lost some analogue soul; but is a pretty faithful re-recording of a 30 year old gem.
If you like the original; check out TB 2003 - the wobbly synth bass near the beginning is quite wonderful. M.O. has even managed to locate the same caveman, (who still sounds grumpy!)
I do wonder about the choice of John Cleese, when there are some wonderful male and female voices around. But maybe M.O. wanted to inject a note of whimsy into the proceedings to prove that he's not taking things too seriously?
Enjoy! (again)
Rather splendid I reckon.
It's very easy for 'musos' to knock it; but it was musically brave and technically superb in its day.
OK; maybe it's lost some analogue soul; but is a pretty faithful re-recording of a 30 year old gem.
If you like the original; check out TB 2003 - the wobbly synth bass near the beginning is quite wonderful. M.O. has even managed to locate the same caveman, (who still sounds grumpy!)
I do wonder about the choice of John Cleese, when there are some wonderful male and female voices around. But maybe M.O. wanted to inject a note of whimsy into the proceedings to prove that he's not taking things too seriously?
Enjoy! (again)
Posted on: 29 August 2003 by JeremyD
Speaking of the voiceover, wasn't there a 1970s version of the original TB without the voiceover?
--J
--J
Posted on: 29 August 2003 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Starter for ten, no conferring
Where did MO get the idea for the Viv Stanshall vocals?
Answers?
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and happy
Where did MO get the idea for the Viv Stanshall vocals?
Answers?
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and happy