Photoshop for duffers

Posted by: Bosh on 07 April 2005

I upgraded my PS elements 2 to 3 to manage RAW files, then bought a copy of CS to following reading William Cheungs "switch to digital" book as he says CS has better ways of doing certain procedures and more controllability than elements 3 does. I am now working my way through Cheungs tutorials

What I have found initially disconcerting though is that the RAW conversion for PS CS and Elements 3 give different results (evident visibly and on the curves) even if you use exactly the same settings

The other "problem" is CS is so powerful it is a bit overwhelming and I am wondering if I need to learn Elements 3 first or can anyone recommend a complete duffers guide to CS

I would appreciate a step by step guide to the fundamantals such as

1. When to use exposure or brightness on PS RAW conversion
2. Should I leave files at 240ppi (Cheung advocates changing to 300ppi)
3. Do you convert in 8 bits or 16bit
4. Why does an "embedded mismatch" come up on RAW conversion asking me if I want to convert Adobe RGB to sRGB IEC?

etc, etc, etc

Thanks in anticipation
Posted on: 07 April 2005 by garyi
I get a computer arts magazine which I can't find right now.

However in the raw plug in is a choice to pick <Something> 98.

Apparently this is the best work space to work in, plus if one pluggin is in one workspace and the other in a different one then this might explain the differences you see.

As ebedded profiles I think this is to do with coloursync, I think on PC there is a utility to set the workspace for all your devices from camera to printer, I won't even pretend to explain because I have no idea.

16bit and 8bit, well probably not for you to worry about, but 8bit allows full use of all the filters.

The more resultion you have to work with the better, however there is a cut off with what most printers can handle. Although a printer will say a res of say 2400, thats how many drops of ink it can place on a sheet where as the res on screen is significantly different. If you were to set the res at 2400 the printer would simply throw out data, 300 is the normal res to work in and should be sufficient for most printing needs.

As for when to use exposure, well this I guess comes to down to what you wanted to achieve from the picture Winker
Posted on: 07 April 2005 by garyi
One other thing, there are two colour spcaes to work in RGB and CYMK.

CYMK is a lot more dynamic and you can see this if you swap between the two, however printers because they can't do the brightness thing are better suited in the RGB mode, there is somewhere in photoshop a 'soft proof' so if you are working in CYMK then you can see how it will likely print out, although to be honest this is a very difficult area.
Posted on: 07 April 2005 by DArkan9el
Hi, the embedded mismatch is because your camera is embedding one colour setting and PS-CS is trying to use another. The one that is normally used with Photoshop is likely to be sRGB IEC61966-2.1 but the better colour setting is Adobe RGB(1998)

What Camera are you using? Some cameras like the Minolta A1 can be set to use Adobe RGB(1998)
I would use PS CS and learn slowly, you'll never learn it all but you will get used to it.

I have a few PDF files I could send you. Not sure what connection you have? but these would help you along.
See list below:
  • Adobe Photoshop CS Classroom in a Book.pdf (20.8Mb)
  • Adobe Photoshop Cs All-In-One Desk Reference For Dummies.pdf (26.5Mb)
  • Real World Camera Raw With Adobe Photoshop Cs.pdf (21.7Mb)
  • The Photoshop Book For Digital Photographers (2003) Scott Kelby.pdf (246Mb)
The last one may have to be put on a CD lol! but it is an excellent book and well worth a buy.

Best regards Lee
Posted on: 07 April 2005 by count.d
Bosch,

You haven't asked any duff questions.

1. Don't use exposure or brightness. Use the "mid tone" adjuster in "levels" to get the required lightness and then play around with saturation to bump colours back up - for starters.

2. Change files to 300ppi.

3. Do all the colour, level, saturation and contrast changes in 16 bit. The 8 bit conversion is the last thing you should do if you have to.

4. If your camera allows you to change the colour space, change it to Adobe RGB (1998). Change the Adobe CS setting to the same, by edit - color setting - working space - Adobe RGB (1998).

I would concentrate on CS and disregard all other software.

The difference between srgb and adobe rgb is quite high. Here's a very large enlargemment of a test, I did a while back, to see the difference. Both have been saturated to show up the results more. No other manipulations have been done (which makes the result even more impressive as the more changes you do, the greater the difference)

Pic 1. shot and opened as srgb. Notice how much less the colours are graduated and how it appears broken up?
Posted on: 07 April 2005 by count.d
Pic 2.

This was shot and opened as Adobe RGB (1998).

The colours are better graduated.

Saving them as 35kb files has ruined all the tonal qualities, so you'll have to take my word for it.
Posted on: 09 April 2005 by Bosh
Many thanks for your support an input it is much appreciated. I am using an EOS 300D (or will be when it comes back from repair - one of the CF slot pins has adopted a strange angle after 6 weeks use despite kid gloves - never had any probs with SD cards Frown)
Posted on: 11 April 2005 by Rockingdoc
Last time I looked Photoshop CS was still about 700 quid!!
With Elements v3 available legally for 50 quid, CS would have to offer an awful lot more.

The other thing is, do you have screen calibration facilities? I don't, so never really know what will come out of the printer. I've seen things that you place on the screen, but wouldn't know how to use the software, and presumably it has to work with a specific printer calibration.
I'd like to send some pictures for professional printing, but without screen calibration how will I know what to send them?
Posted on: 11 April 2005 by Derek Wright
RD

A lot of info on screen and printer calibration at
DryCreek

Basically one can do calibration by eye or get a device to work in conjunction with the screen drivers to normalise the colours on the screen. Then one applies correction info to suit the printers or the lab - DryCreek have correction files for some of the Labs.
Posted on: 11 April 2005 by Rockingdoc
Thank you
Posted on: 18 April 2005 by Bosh
Have set PS to Adobe 1998 and had a good play and am getting some good results. Have found that when using 16 bit RAW conversion you cannot save to JPeg, only Tiff, Photoshop, RAW and Cineon files, which is best (apart from the obvious RAW which cannot be viewed easily within windows)

Thanks
Posted on: 18 April 2005 by count.d
Save the 16 bit image as TIFF.

If you want to save as jpeg, go to Photoshop - image mode and change it to 8 bit. You will then be able to save as jpeg for smaller files with a slight drop in quality.
Posted on: 04 May 2005 by Bosh
Count D - Thanks again

In addition to the steps you mention (RGB 98/300ppi/16 bit RAW conversion / "mid tone" adjust in "levels"/saturation/color balance/contrast/tiff save) are there any other tools you routinely use eg clone, unsharp mask, dodge and burn etc and if so in which order (I have read unsharp should be done last) or are these a no-no?

If
Posted on: 04 May 2005 by Misguided Fool
This website seems to have some good information on shooting in RAW format and colour spaces. http://www.danandsherree.com/2005/03/04/should_i_shoot_in_th.php
Posted on: 04 May 2005 by count.d
Sorry mate, no more advice from me until someone answers my question in the "show us your toys" thread.

Huh, that'll show 'em
Posted on: 04 May 2005 by Derek Wright
Count.d

Just answered your question in the how expensive are your toys thread <g>
Posted on: 05 May 2005 by count.d
Cheers Derek, but I never meant you anyway. You've always had manners.