Help clean up Ebay scams with Naim

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1. Bid on the item at whatever price you wish. (Don't worry, you won't have to buy this obvious scam!)
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Bidding on an item entails a legal undertaking to buy the item. Some scams are obvious, others not so obvious and some end up not being scams at all. I appreciate your motives but would not recommend your method.

When you're older I bet you become a local Homewatch organiser.

Malky: I'm talking about obvious scams. When a cds3 or NAP 500 is offered for 700GBP, it's pretty safe to bid on it.
Bob: As for home watch, I live in a safe neighborhood and I'm trying to help ebay be safe for legitmate Naim sellers. Right now it's not very safe and when I try to buy or sell, it gets very messy. My guess is that commercial ebay sellers/Naim dealers like Audible Excellence and Gene Rubin get pretty frustrated.

I would love to see this forum become the Ebay alternative. Create a slot for dealers. Create a slot for individuals. Leverage a community of trust. Charge everybody to collect their data. Pay Naim a fee. Whatever it takes, I would be better off.

Dealers create a market for trade ins, get out of the used equipment business, and enable new sales. I get access to quality used gear, which is all I am interested in. Naim is like porsche in many respects, and reliable used gear expands the market.

Warranties extend or not. It is in the price. Helps everybody. Makes the pie bigger in a mean old world. Exploits the power of a brand which people buy on reputation. One of the few audio brands that works by reputation.

Deliver me from ebay.

How are you liking this so far?

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The key point here is that the used market expands the market for new gear. I am a prime example of that, upgrading from used to new as I built my system. Therein lies the reason for Naim to have an interest in your suggestion. Legitimate used gear and sellers could be tracked online through the serial number so the ownership history is transparent.
I have come to the conclusion that Ebay is not a very secure place to buy higher value Naim gear. Audiogon has worked very well for me but an established Naim dealer that sells on Ebay tells me he has more problems with Audiogon than Ebay. Sellers and purchasers have different problems.

Naim moderator: Has Naim ever considered an authorized reseller service?

Aren't they called dealers?

Lots of scumbags on ebay. Thin body of Naim dealers. I have met some of these guys and my hat is off to them, but they are a long way from my house and I have to find them? Maybe so, but it is not often and expensive, and ebay is right there every day.

All I want is hassle free, high quality, second hand gear at a decent price. I can feel it when somebody it trying to take my head off; I have been to ebay and know what the market it. I love the dealer but not usually enough to give hime $500 per piece. I would rather buy vinyl or cd's. Give the dealers a spot on the website alongside individual sellers. The market will develop and everybody will be better off. Give a dealer a way to discover what the market is for a trade in as he does a deal, and the trader and the buyer are both better off and the dealer can make a buck risk free. Right now, ebay is broken and the dealers, at best, are far between and thinly capitalized for a trade. The more I can fetch for my CDS2, the better candidate for a CDS3 I can be.

Audiogon works well but new posts for buyers and sellers are a couple a day at best. I know people would view my CDS2 as a big step up, but the market is here, not there. I am better off with the Naim faithful instead of breaking in some knucklehead on ebay or audiogon. And the buyer is better off here as well. I trust the people on this forum, buy Naim on reputation, and do not know who "my dealer' is. And I am not moving to Dallas or St. Louis or Raleigh any time soon, God willing.

Another useful thing, unless I have missed it, is a private email or message feature on this site. That would allow a dealer to contact me directly. Gives me a more competitive dynamic. Why not? Who is hurt by that?

sc-sld at swbell dot net is where I am. Where are you?

Looks like the scammers are back this week. Same guy who was up there last week. I flirted with the CDS3 that was up there sunday. Private list of bidders. Went for almost $5000. Contacted me yesterday to say his deal fell through and that he would would take $3600. I thought why would this guy not re list or go to one of the other bidders instead of sending me a second email. Just did not make sense. But the same crowd is out all over the Naim section again today. Be careful of these deals that look too good to be true.

Thanks David for all the work you do to get rid of these scammers. Ebay does a much faster and precise job than audiogon at removing scammers. On the bottom of every ebay listing is a "report this item" link in which any viewer can notify ebay as to an obviously fraudulant listing. In most cases, the seller is asking you to contact them directly and not bid through ebay. When you see this, simply report it using the link as "circumventing ebay fees" and it will be removed very quickly.

Gene Rubin
www.generubinaudio.com

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On the bottom of every ebay listing is a "report this item" link in which any viewer can notify ebay as to an obviously fraudulant listing.

Not on ebay.co.uk there ain't.

Not content with cleaning up Iraq, Iran, North Korea and Afganistan - the valiant intrepid purchasers now attempt to clean up EBay - I hope that they are more effective than FEMA <g>