what happens wiith my flatcap 2?

I mean what differences is suppose to hear with the FC 2 connected with the CD 5?

MY system : Naim Nait 5 amplifier,Naim cd 5 ,Epos M 15 speakers,Naca5,FC2

I can only speak from experience with a CD5/Hi but I expect the changes are similar.

More clarity and detail. Extended and more tuneful bass.

Other stuff too but the above should hit you like a brick.

Cheers

if you can't notice the difference with and without the fc2 then something is wrong..

i use a fc2 in my br system--cd3.5/quad fm3/nait3 and the differences are abundantly clear..

imho all flat cap (old and new) are little improvment, for hear something "no brain" try a hi-cap

Simo,

My experience is different than yours. i ahve an old flatcap, and a new hicap, which early in my Naim building, I constantly switched between my CD5 and 112.

What I found was that both the FC and the Hicap significantly improved the CD5, and thatthe differences between the two caps was hard to detect. In contrast, the Hicap was clearly better than the flatcap on the preamp. That's the way hat I have left it for the past year.

When I once ran this by the folks at NANA, I was told that this was because only part of the CD5 is powered by the cap, and that the potential gains to be had by a better PSU within the context of the CD5 were limited.

So, I think that Nuno should be hearing some improvement with his fc2. Certainly for what it costs the FC2 should have a significant effect on the CD5.

Bruce

Hello
I did a blind test with a friend of mine:I asked him if he notice anny difference and he notice a slightly scale and a more tuneful bass
Me myself start to notice a more natural sound and a slightly scale.I´ve got plans to buy a Hi cap as soon I can get a Nap 150 s/h

MY system : Naim Nait 5 amplifier,Naim cd 5 ,Epos M 15 speakers,Naca5,FC2

Nuno,

When I added an oldstyle FC to my 62/140 the change was very evident. At first, I thought the sound was all over the place - soundstage was wider but not as cohesive. I was a little worried. Then after a good warm up everything evened out. Weeks later I removed the FC to see if I could hear the benefits - without the FC the sound was restricted, less dynamic, and on the plus side perhaps warmer/softer. I think it has been said before that the 62/140 on its own makes for a very forgiving system on poor source material and I can believe it. Adding the FC gives you more of the things that I associate with the Naim sound - PRaT, boogie factor, whatever... I also think it makes for a more revealing system.

Before jumping to a 150, give the Nait/FC2 some time. Also, don't be too quick to ditch the FC for a hicap - try to do an extended dem.

On a seperate note, I've seen some FC bashing on this forum, but depending on the price for a S/H unit they're good VFM (in the US in particular). A used 3 year old FC can cost less than a SNAPS+recap, and 1/3 the price of a similar vintage HCap. Right now there's a SNAPs on ebay at over $200 (15 hours to go) - factor in dual railing / SNAIC-5 and a recap and I don't see the attraction.

cheers

Dan

The real test comes when you take the PSU out of the system. Try it. If you don't suffer immediately, maybe the PSU isn't your cup of tea.

Phil

at first I will buy a good rack,maybe a QS ReferenceIt´s very important to improve quality sound Just then ,if I need more watts or a better signal,I will go for a Nap 150
BTW I ask a friend to hear my system because I´ve got a problem in my left ear and it's a bit difficult for me to hear or discriminate without help

MY system : Naim Nait 5 amplifier,Naim cd 5 ,Epos M 15 speakers,Naca5,FC2

Nuño,

if you need somebody else to tell you whether an upgrade really makes any difference, I would suggest you stop upgrading and just enjoy the looks and sound of your current sistem - whatever you seem to hearing (this is a philopsophical problem we'd need the likes of Mr Toy to figure out).

Actually I think your problem is not that uncommon. A lot of people seem to need this kind of reassurance before they actually hear something. But you could also put your money into some pursuit you feel more sure about.

Herman

What Herm said. (Still on for tonight babe ?).

Also (sorry I can't resist this), maybe the flatcap would sound better powering your hearing aid. You could hang it round your neck on a huge gold chain and pretend you are a gangsta rapper. Then accessorise. You'll need a a brace of silver 9mm's tucked into the waistband of some huge baggy pants. I'm a Colt man myself, but S&W makes some good sh*t too.

Think about it, the drugs, the chicks, the drive-by shootings and the baddest motherfu*ka hearing aid rig on the planet. It's got to make sense.

Minky you're a meanie. Don't make fun of deaf people (esp. if they're into audio.) I'm only dating nice boys.

Good advice Herm
I will take care and put my money in some pursuit I feel more sure about
It´s a bit frustating to spend money in upgrads and need help another guys

MY system : Naim Nait 5 amplifier,Naim cd 5 ,Epos M 15 speakers,Naca5,FC2

Nuno -

What is your kit sitting on? Flatcaps are very sensitive to what they sit on. Moved my FlatCap 2 from MDF to glass and the difference was staggering (powering a Nait 5, also on glass).

- GregB

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My system is on a wood cheap table.I´ve got plans to go for a QS reference

MY system : Naim Nait 5 amplifier,Naim cd 5 ,Epos M 15 speakers,Naca5,FC2

Sensitive Flatcap?

Greg,

I've never heard anyone say that a flatcap is stand-sensitive before.

BEC

Ask Thomas K.

Some time ago he posted about his experience (he's no theoretical German) that PSUs are extraordinarily stand sensitive.

Herman

I think in fairness that if nuno can't hear a difference then sticking it on a good stand will make sod all difference.

Not wishing to start a stand war again, if the companant is not doing it for you then it never will.

I have to say when I replaced my flatcap with a hi-cap the difference was fundamental, and much more than adding the flatcap to the mix from bare.
I wonder though if my belief that most CDP really sound the same has anything to bear here. Is nuno in a postition to put the cap anywhere else, can it power his pre-amp? I expect he will here more imporvement here.

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Originally posted by garyi:
I think in fairness that if Nuño can't hear a difference then sticking it on a good stand will make sod all difference.

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Garyi, that is completely true. However, I was responding to bec 1234's post.

If Nuño really has a hearing problem, i.e. has reached the VFM threshold, I would heartily recommend he'd just stick with what he's got now, buy music and spend the big money on the good things of life other than hifi: vacations, cars, socks, sunglasses and romantic dinners with all those women who are dying to meet the Real Nuño.

Honestly we're talking a small country here (Portugal), and everybody there knows about Nuño. Recently I traveled through the aeroporto and it was a thrill. I just knew all I had to do was say "I am Nuño Baptista", and I would be taking three women (and a mini dog) to my hotel at least, all dying to know what the Real Nuño was like.

Unfortunately I am not the Real Nuño Baptista.

Herman (jury member of the 2003 Nuño Award)

"My system is on a wood cheap table."

Try glass under the FC2 and the other bits.

Get ready for a BIG hit.

- GregB

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Herm,

You mispelled my middle name!

Bruce