Do you find applause disconcerting?

Posted by: Don Phillips on 09 September 2009

I have a reasonable system, not state of the art, but it generally produces a good sound.
I find I am disconcerted by applause.
I am not talking about the sycophantic applause you get typically at Frank Sinatra concerts where the musically illiterate take eleven bars to recognise the song he is singing and proceed to tell him so just before the middle eight. No that is inane.

I mean the genuine applause that accompanies good performance, such as most of the Pablo label live jazz records.

Firstly I think it takes an extremely good system to make applause sound realistic. Mine just about does, although often it lacks in lower frequencies.

What concerns me most is where the audience sits - usually behind the orchestra. I have just listened to Grappelli playing with Peterson. I spend twenty minutes in the certain illusion that I am sitting facing a stage - Grappelli is just right of centre, Peterson just left and bass and drums have their own positions.

Then follows applause. But I am alone, as if at the back of the stage with the performers. I am not surrounded by clapping hands - they are over there, behind the orchestra presumably hiding behind my curtained window.

Am I alone at observing this? I must admit that fellow audience approbation is a strong, and possibly only, argument for surround sound.

Don, sun-setting downtown York
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by Lontano
Don - I have never really thought about this. It has never struck me as an issue. Now you mention it, I am sure that I will listen to my next live recording differently and let you know.

Just rather a lot of Beatles albums to get through first....
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by Naijeru
This is part of the reason why I'm not very interested in the spatial reproduction of music. The concept of the recording engineer is not necessarily to put the listener into the audience and certainly not consistent among different recordings. Would I require a different setup for my speakers etc to maximize the effect of each recording I have??? I think attempting to achieve that level of spatial fidelity would drive me mad and distract from my enjoyment of the music.

So no, I don't find it disconcerting at all.
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by BigH47
No I get used to it! Winker
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by Fraser Hadden
Time to move gently towards surround-sound?

I have the ancient and largely-unsung Naim AV1 feeding a 250 and a couple of small Mission speakers in my set up (CDS2/52/2x135/Yamaha NS1000s) and find the subtle ambient effects in studio recordings pleasing. Live recordings reproduce with much more of a wrap-round effect. Occasionally, effects can be ridiculous, with instruments placed behind the listener, but overall the effect is additive.

Fraser
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by Westcoastman
I often find applause sonically disconcerting and usually have to turn down the volume when the applause occurs. Though the same can be said for applause at a live concert.
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by Naijeru
quote:
Originally posted by Sootycat:
I often find applause sonically disconcerting and usually have to turn down the volume when the applause occurs. Though the same can be said for applause at a live concert.

So you bring earplugs then?
Posted on: 09 September 2009 by kuma
Not me.

Occasional clapping, applauding and yelling sometime sound so real, I think it's cool.

What I'm amused about, altho not annoyed, is a waiter dropping a tray or glass in the background on a live jazz recording. ( Night and the City: Charlie Haden with Kenny Barron )
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by --duncan--
I enjoy a little atmosphere. The chink of glasses in the various live Bill Evans at the Village Vanguard recordings add to the sense of being there. It's a matter of degree.

Some people get terribly upset by applause between movements of a classical work. I'm usually not that bothered though occasionally there are times when I wished the Royal Albert Hall followed the Jazz Cafe's example and had a sign reading "STFU"!

duncan
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by fama
Applause is easier to take than Keith Jarretts
grunting vocalising!
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by Don Phillips
quote:
Originally posted by munch:
I have heard many people mone about having the clappppp, but not mone about hearing it.

I am told your ears can suffer as a result of aural sex.
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by u5227470736789439
Unprotercted aural sex runs athe risk of getting hearing aids.

ATB from George
Posted on: 10 September 2009 by fixedwheel
Only when you are near someone with a big bore. Roll Eyes
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by JohanR
quote:
Then follows applause. But I am alone, as if at the back of the stage with the performers. I am not surrounded by clapping hands - they are over there, behind the orchestra presumably hiding behind my curtained window.


I like to indulge myself in the idea that I are among those specially invited to be backstage for the concert...

What put's me of is when they fades out the applause between songs!

JohanR
Posted on: 11 September 2009 by u5227470736789439
I like it!

It really is special after you have concentrated on listening to the music to have a ripple of applause grow into a proper fortissimo at the end! A perfect way to end rather than the sterility of a studio recording.

ATB from George