Superbit dvd's.....

Ooh, this one is going to run :-) I thought film was 24fps, with PAL converted to 25fps and NTSC to 30fps (ish). I thought the conversion of 24 to 25 for PAL was practically direct, providing the slight speed up. The conversion used for NTSC is more complex, but results in no speed up.

Sorry Franck,

AV@naim
''NTSC runs at 29.97 frames sec..not 24, that is film.''

Emmanuel

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Originally posted by Frank Abela:
Personally, I asked them 4 years ago - and chased them since - when they would make an R2 version of Fifth Element and they simply refuse to bring is out in R2. They have it in R1, so we get left without. I hate having to swap regions on my DVD player and anyway it's wrong in principle.

Frank,

In fact The Fifth Element was released on region 2 superbit as Le Cinquième élément - Superbit.

Bas Wolke

NTSC video/TV = 29.97 fr/sec
PAL video/TV =25 fr/sec
Film = 24 fr/sec
NTSC encapsulated film = 23.976 fr/sec

NTSC renders motion better than PAL at the expense of lower line resolution.

Film->NTSC = 24 fr/sec -> 29.97 fr/sec
Film->PAL = 24 fr/sec -> 25 fr/sec
Film->NTSC->PAL = 24 fr/sec -> 29.97 fr/sec -> 25 fr/sec

Hmmm, it seems apologies are in order...

Sorry, I must have been mistaken.

quote:

Originally posted by Frank Abela:
Hmmm, it seems apologies are in order...

Sorry, I must have been mistaken.

Frank, no need for the apol's.

23.976 frame/sec NTSC film is used with MPEG1 video (used mainly with VCD). MPEG2 (DVD video) specifies NTSC as 29.97 frame/sec

VCD is a NASTY combination of PAL and NTSC, and this is why in PAL everything looks vertically stretched, whilst in NTSC everything looks vertically squashed. A trully loathsome format.

PAL films have their pitch up 4% precisely because of the 24fps film->25fps PAL conversion.

NTSC 3:2 pulldown looks horrible - nice slow pan judders. Goes really nicely with my nystagmus. Yuk.

At least we're (in the main) past the bad old days of PAL laserdiscs being standards-converted from NTSC; my UK version of "Point break" looks bloody awful. Correct audio pitch, faded video with blurring and all-round fuzziness. A worn taped-off-of-telly version looks better.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by domfjbrown:
VCD is a NASTY combination of PAL and NTSC, and this is why in PAL everything looks vertically stretched, whilst in NTSC everything looks vertically squashed. A trully loathsome format.

here here.....

quote:

Originally posted by arf005:
Does anybody else own any superbit flicks and know what I'm on about.......

Panic Room.

Film plods along for sure, but it's very well done considering it's almost entirely set inside a house.

The camera movements are quite inventive and the general darkness in the film allows the encoding to show very good shadow detail.

I quite liked Panic Room, and didn't realize it was out there on superbit....
....to be honest I can't remember if we own it, think we do, in which case I probably wouldn't buy it again.....there's only been one version worth that so far which was Crouching Tiger, but a superbit 5th Element would be tempting!!

Cheers,
Ali

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Originally posted by iDunno:

Panic Room.

Film plods along for sure, but it's very well done considering it's almost entirely set inside a house.

The camera movements are quite inventive and the general darkness in the film allows the encoding to show very good shadow detail.

Panic Room has a subtle amount of (reasonably well done) CG in it. The obvious is the camera tracking up through the centre of the stairs through each floor... some shots of the kitchen...the flashlight in the air- space also is composited CG....

IMHO, on Supabit it is more noticable than with the original commercial version.

But still a good film

quote:

Originally posted by AV@naim:
Panic Room has a subtle amount of (reasonably well done) CG in it. The obvious is the camera tracking up through the centre of the stairs through each floor... some shots of the kitchen...the flashlight in the air- space also is composited CG....

IMHO, on Supabit it is more noticable than with the original commercial version.

But still a good film

I remember watching the "making of" where they had various rails around the house on which the cameras were actually mounted and allowed them to move through the floorboards and such, including through the gap between the stairs. All very clever stuff, though on the copy I have it almost looks too "clean"!

Dunno about the flashlight thingy.

Anybody seen Flight Plan? I got through about 10 minutes of it and was dozing off... Jodie Foster must have a thing with plodding scripts and confined spaces

http://www.mentalimages.com/4_1_motion_pictures/index.html

scroll down to "Panic Room" section and click on the thumbs to view em larger.

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Originally posted by AV@naim:
http://www.mentalimages.com/4_1_motion_pictures/index.html

scroll down to "Panic Room" section and click on the thumbs to view em larger.

For a moment there you had me scratching my head! I wasn't imagining things, the plot thickens:

http://www.aec.at/en/archives/prix_archive/prix_projekt.asp?iProjectID=11705

http://actionadventure.about.com/library/weekly/2002/aa032902a.htm

Guess they missed the post-prod stuff out of the making (maybe they were still doing it!), thanks for pointing it out. Looks like they combined various bits of live and CG, although I'm surprised that with something as simple as a passageway shot that they would 3D it instead of reshooting.

yes, there is quite a bit in that film.

This is the problem with high bitrate DVD's. As the bitrate goes up, the CG becomes more obvious (although CG is coming on in leaps and bounds). On standard bitrate DVD's the "noise" that MPEG2 encoding produces seems to hide alot of the CG quirks.

Having a vaguely CG backround, you get to notice what looks correct and what doesn't.