netbook (asset server/spotify) + ndx + ndac
Posted by: maxevl on 09 May 2012
OK, my first ever post, so here goes.......
Have settled on my preferred NDX configuration to date.
- Asus Netbook Win 7 320Gb HD (fanless CPU design) £220
- Asset UPNP server
- FLAC files (installed on Netbook hard disk)
- Spotify & NDX internet radio via Netbook WiFi connection to Router/modem
- Netbook direct E/net wired (i.e. single Cat6 lead without Enet switch) to NDX
NDX (with powerline) + DC1 + Ndac (with TXPS)
Nait XS + HiCap + NACA5 + Monitor Audio 20SE
Have benefit of dedicated hardwired E/Net short single lead between NDX & Netbook server, with fixed IP adresses, whilst allowing NDX internet radio & spotify via the Netbook WiFi.
Asset server achieves speedy & flexible searching with accurate use of FLAC tag data and on the fly transcoding to wav, with facility to access the Netbook soundcard digital feed, which means I can use Spotifyas E/net feed to the NDX.
Currently experimenting with 2nd netbook PC, with various installed UPNP control points, such as Foobar, Asset and Kinsky. All three work well but with varying degrees of bugginess, consistancy & presentation.
Except when making up an on the fly play list via a upnp control point, am quite happy to use the NDX display & hand remote. (Although shame the display does not auto zoom like the Logitech Touch). Might have to get some mini theatre binoculars?
Netbook actually cost £70 more as I had to do the windows anytime upgrade to enable enet to share wifi internet connection.
Anbody else doing similar or have any suggestions to improve sound or user experience further?
Posted on: 09 May 2012 by james n
I can't see the benefit of directly wiring the laptop to the NDX. Just run it via your normal router and wired home network then the NDX doesn't rely on the wifi from the laptop (can you use the laptop as an access point in this fashion anyway ? ) for its gateway to the internet. It won't make any difference to sound quality.
James
Posted on: 09 May 2012 by james n
PS - and welcome to the forum
Posted on: 09 May 2012 by maxevl
wifi router in another room. was going to run a wire,
however the compromise of single wire local enet for upnp server files
& wifi connection for internet radio & spotify seems to work well for me.
was using airport express and enet switch to acheive the same result so less equipment at hifi rack.
Now have no need for airport express, enet switch box, its extra power supply and 2-off extra enet cables near the hifi, as the NDX can get the internet connection by sharing the netbook wifi connection.
The asset server has a local wired enet connection to ndx via single lead.
Anybody else running spotify & Asset on PC with enet connection to NDX via Asset UPNP server?
Previously I used a Halide design bridge USB to SPDIF lead.
Posted on: 09 May 2012 by maxevl
Forgot to mention
am using the netbook as a permanent UPNP server.
So left powered with lid closed next to NDX.
Use other PC's for other duties & wifi UPNP control points.
Very rarely now loose the connection between NDX & server.
Posted on: 09 May 2012 by maxevl
Can now have spotify & asset running continusly on the Netbook.
Can leave Spotify running a selection of preferred music.
Can switch between my FLAC ripped files, internet radio & spotify selection at will via my hand remote.
Spotify seems to benefit from ethernet connection to NDX rather than USB to SPDIF conversion route.
Posted on: 09 May 2012 by james n
Originally Posted by maxevl:
Forgot to mention
am using the netbook as a permanent UPNP server.
So left powered with lid closed next to NDX.
Use other PC's for other duties & wifi UPNP control points.
Very rarely now loose the connection between NDX & server.
That seems to rather defeat the purpose of the NDX if you've got the laptop right next to it. If there is no need to have the computer next to the hi-fi then take advantage of this and move it elsewhere. I've never had any trouble with my NDX losing connection with my server and this is with a more conventional hard wired network setup ( NDX, Server and NAS) on a separate switch with a single connection to the router for Internet / wireless control point (iPhone / iPad) access.
Posted on: 09 May 2012 by maxevl
Will get the NDX wired direct to modem/wifi router switch at some point.
However for now this seems my best compromise.
The wifi signal is working well for spotify & internet radio.
The flac files have a better wired connection.
24/192 did not work well across wifi.
The direct local LAN connection appears to sound better than when using a switch.
Have not done proper comparison. But the sound appears to have stepped up a notch since using this configuration.
Am also happy to get Spotify using the enet connection to NDX.
There is a pleasing consistancy of sound now using all streamed sources.
Yes I agree it may defeat the pupose of the NDX having the Netbook next to it.
However, with this configuration the overall sound is much better than I have acheived previously.
Posted on: 09 May 2012 by Prubast
Originally Posted by james n:
Originally Posted by maxevl:
Forgot to mention
am using the netbook as a permanent UPNP server.
So left powered with lid closed next to NDX.
Use other PC's for other duties & wifi UPNP control points.
Very rarely now loose the connection between NDX & server.
That seems to rather defeat the purpose of the NDX if you've got the laptop right next to it. If there is no need to have the computer next to the hi-fi then take advantage of this and move it elsewhere. I've never had any trouble with my NDX losing connection with my server and this is with a more conventional hard wired network setup ( NDX, Server and NAS) on a separate switch with a single connection to the router for Internet / wireless control point (iPhone / iPad) access.
+1 although I'm sure the Mrs would love a netbook next to my hi fi in the lounge
No trouble either with conventional hard wired set up as per James N - for me this is optimum
Posted on: 09 May 2012 by pcstockton
Originally Posted by james n:
That seems to rather defeat the purpose of the NDX if you've got the laptop right next to it.
Agreed. Just get the Naim DAC with the best PS you can afford.
Posted on: 09 May 2012 by McGhie
+1 to Prubast/James N.
I ran a cable round the side of the house to connect my SuperUniti to a gigabit switch in another room. Required knocking couple of holes in external walls but was best solution. Got sockets on wall to plug ethernet cables into now. My server and PC also hang off the same switch and it hangs off the router.
I'm running Windows Home Server 2011 on the server, which is great (and less than £40). I'm running the WHS2012 version of Asset. Worth considering this over Win7 on your server.
Never had any connection issues (but I've fixed IPs at router) and happy with sound quality.
I use n-Stream on iPhones/iPad to control SuperUniti and NaimUnit. Works better than remote and screen. I gather that there may be some other versions of the app in the pipeline (Android?) - think we'll have to wait and see on that one...
Cheers
Ian
Posted on: 09 May 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk
+1 on running Asset on WHS. (Windows Home Server). It just works. It's headless and sits silently, efficiently month after month with no human intervention required at all. If you can use a micro PC withit as well, even better...
Btw, to anyone hearing SQ changes with using different switch port devices, you are almost certainly hearing the effects of common mode RFI intermodulation distortion. You might want to therefore put some ferrite chokes clamped on your Ethernet patch leads close by your NDX and switch, this might remove some of these SQ differences. Also keep your patch leads clear from mains leads and interconnects.
Simon
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Posted on: 10 May 2012 by McGhie
In my earlier post it should have read "I'm running the WHS2011 version of Asset"
Posted on: 10 May 2012 by maxevl
What benefits would i get if i switch from win 7 to windows home server?
Will try the ferrite chokes when I eventiually need to re-introduce the local enet switch.
Posted on: 10 May 2012 by McGhie
You may find further info online, but the things I find particularly good about it are:
- it's a server (network functionality not limited like in some versions of Win7, multiple connections...)
- designed to run 24/7
- can run headless (no monitor, keyboard, mouse)
- dedicated WHS2011 version of Asset
- integrates well with home network:
- automatic daily client backups with facility to restore client, e.g. if system disk in one of your PCs fails (I think it supports up to 10 client PCs/laptops)
- automatic twice daily server backups
- file server (shares, homegroup...)
- monitors health of itself and all other PCs/laptops on network (consolidated system tray warnings re free disk space, windows updates, etc. for all Windows machines)
- very user friendly (can simply use supplied client 'Dashboard' app to configure/manage server, though not restricted from using rdc if you wish)
- remote web access (can access and manage, stream, explore server across Internet, if you enable it, and you can even then remote through to other Windows PCs)
- it's <£40!
Cheers
Ian