Last Classic Album that will stand the test of time?

Posted by: Andrew Porter on 09 July 2012

Whilst watching  BBC 3's Classic Album programme on Black Sabbath Paranoia the other night, I started thinking about which modern album of the last few years if any could be called a "classic" in time,or if nothing in the last few years, what was the last album which could truly have "classic" status?

Although there are many that I would consider classic,they would be more personal choices and would not qualify for true classic status. But then it saddened me to think that candidates might probably be Back to Black-Amy Winehouse and even possibly 21-Adele, I hope I'm wrong because I personally dislike both albums. I could well imagine the beeb doing a program on Back to Black in 20 years time but due more possibly to the artists death, ensuring immortality?

Any valid suggestions?

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by Derry

Why should you or anyone here care what albums in the future might or might not be considered "classic" - whatever that means?

 

Lord knows, what some of the people here like or consider classic are complete anathema to me.

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by BigH47
Originally Posted by Derry:

Why should you or anyone here care what albums in the future might or might not be considered "classic" - whatever that means?

 

Lord knows, what some of the people here like or consider classic are complete anathema to me.

Equally true of your selections I would think, unless of course like perfect pitch you posses perfect choice too!!!

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by Derry

Almost certainly true of what I like, but I don't bitch about it...

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by Andrew Porter

Derry, I don't really care, just interested for some opinions, same as I don't really care what the last cd someone bought was, or last concert they went to or many of the other posts on this or other forums.I may not care but just interested to know, as I am of other posts, maybe I just don't get the point of forums?

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by floid

An Album which I think will be classed as a Classic Album released in the last few years has got to be this.

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by floid
Originally Posted by Andrew Porter:

Derry, I don't really care, just interested for some opinions, same as I don't really care what the last cd someone bought was, or last concert they went to or many of the other posts on this or other forums.I may not care but just interested to know, as I am of other posts, maybe I just don't get the point of forums?

Hi Andrew

 

Take no notice of Derry. He is always putting people down.

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by Derry
Originally Posted by floid:
 
 
 

Hi Andrew

 

Take no notice of Derry. He is always putting people down.

Sorry, who are you?

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by Wugged Woy
Originally Posted by Derry:

 

Lord knows, what some of the people here like or consider classic are complete anathema to me.


Then don't post on this thread. Simple.

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by clintyboy

Hi Floid, what is that album(pictured) anyway?

 

Stephen

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by Lontano
Originally Posted by floid:

An Album which I think will be classed as a Classic Album released in the last few years has got to be this.

That would be my choice too - Steven Wilson - Grace for Drowning. Just oustanding.

 

Also King Creosote and Jon Hopkins - Diamond Mine

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by floid
Originally Posted by clintyboy:

Hi Floid, what is that album(pictured) anyway?

 

Stephen

Hi Clintyboy

 

As Lontano said above Steven Wilson - Grace for Drowning. If you have not heard this fantastic album then don't delay. Buy it now you will not be disappointed I guarantee it.  

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by Bruce Woodhouse

Wlico 'Yankee Hotel Foxtrot' would be up there for me as something that is (and will continue to) last the test of time, not just me but also for a wider audience. Is that what makes a classic album ie not just the 'best' or the favourite but something that really changes the game?

 

As I have never heard anything by Steve Wilson, I shall investigate the album above. Better be good!

 

Bruce

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by Steve C

Unfortunately it's very unlikley we'll ever get classic albums that will last 40 years ever again.

The modern music industry is not intrested in artist's making albums as albums all they want is singles.

I don't think there will ever be another Darkside,Machine head,Physical Graffitti,Aqualung or Paranoid.

 

 Steve

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by floid
Originally Posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

Wlico 'Yankee Hotel Foxtrot' would be up there for me as something that is (and will continue to) last the test of time, not just me but also for a wider audience. Is that what makes a classic album ie not just the 'best' or the favourite but something that really changes the game?

 

As I have never heard anything by Steve Wilson, I shall investigate the album above. Better be good!

 

Bruce

It is, trust me. 

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by DenisA
Originally Posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

As I have never heard anything by Steve Wilson, I shall investigate the album above. Better be good!

 

Bruce

Hi Bruce,

 

Here's a few tracks from Grace for Drowning...

Postcard - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upetv4PTFVw&feature=related 

No Part Of Me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc7Q63P2jGQ&feature=related 

Sectarian - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC_TCH3WZFs&feature=related 

Remainder The Black Dog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht-ymU4WmaA&feature=related 

 

and...

Steven Wilson 'Harmony Korine' Live in Mexico (HD) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbW56ersWe8&feature=player_embedded

Recorded live in Mexico City on 13th April, 2012 - Taken from the forthcoming live DVD/Blu-ray 'Get All You Deserve' which is set to be released 25th September. The special edition DVD/Blu-Ray/2 CD version is now available to pre-order from Burning Shed.

 

Denis

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by Bruce Woodhouse

Cheers Denis!

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by Lontano
Originally Posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

Cheers Denis!

Bruce, take your time with this album. It is a bit of a grower. Took me quite a while to get all the way through it in one sitting and then it just hit me how good it really is. A lot to take in, great melodies, lots of King Crimson influences, jazz, prog, Beatles and so on. But overall a modern day rock classic.

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by Premmyboy

Just listened to the tracks posted from the Steven wilson album and sounds good so just ordered a vinyl copy from burning shed.

 

thanks for the tip off.

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by GML
Originally Posted by Premmyboy:

Just listened to the tracks posted from the Steven wilson album and sounds good so just ordered a vinyl copy from burning shed.

 

thanks for the tip off.

Same here.

Posted on: 09 July 2012 by Guido Fawkes

 

A remarkable album and was quite amazed when I first heard and still am. 

 

However, probably the best album I have from any time and virtually faultless
as indeed is Achtung Bono. 

 

 

and, of course, 

 

 

and an old stager created a wonderful record not so long ago 

 

 

Will I be here to hear a classic album programme that contains these gems in 20 years time: probably not. But if I survive that long they'll probably play some hip-hap album while I'm listening to grumpy old men on BBC 64 and wondering if England will win Euro 2032 and we'll have a British Wimbledon champion and I'll be able to update the NDS from Mac OS X Ginger Tom. 

Posted on: 10 July 2012 by Bruce Woodhouse
Originally Posted by Lontano:
Originally Posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

Cheers Denis!

Bruce, take your time with this album. It is a bit of a grower. Took me quite a while to get all the way through it in one sitting and then it just hit me how good it really is. A lot to take in, great melodies, lots of King Crimson influences, jazz, prog, Beatles and so on. But overall a modern day rock classic.

Jazz, prog and King Crimson. Way out of my comfort zone now but I promise to have a listen!

Posted on: 10 July 2012 by JamieL_v2

Bruce, I would advise you to try this track by Steven Wilson first, it reminds me of Joni Mitchell in the 70's, which might be a bit more accessible.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOuiRehjKKU

 

and this which is a simple song, a bit like some early(ish - post Barrett) Pink Floyd.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWenircXOw4

 

As for what might be classic albums of the last few years, I suspect that most people on the forum will not be the ones listening to what will be considered classic in a few years. I am sure there will be classics, just for a different generation of artists and listeners.

 

Probably something by Dizzy Rascal, Arctic Monkeys, someone of that generation. The Adele album is a good suggestion I would expect. Perhaps one of the Elbow albums.

 

Personally my vote would be for Tool 'Lateralus', and perhaps in America it might get that sort of notice, but I doubt over here in the UK.

 

I think Steven Wilson is too much of a niche market to make the kind of impact the 'Classic Album' series looks for, according to Wikipedia it only charted at 34 in the UK, and although 7 in Poland, I don't those are the kind of sales that would qualify it.

 

As for the Naim Forum Classic albums of this millennium, that would be quite a different list.

 

 

Posted on: 10 July 2012 by BigH47

Surely the albums that qualify for Classic status tend have a huge following worldwide, chart success, or have that something new or revolutionary?

 

Choices so far seem to be missing those things, just because a few forumites like SW or Blue Hat Lady, doesn't make it a classic that will last the test of time. 

 

Said better by Jamie 1 minute earlier. Doh! 

 

 

This really is just another "favourite Album" thread isn't it?

 

Even after saying all that as far as the "Classic Albums" series goes, some less obvious choices there as well, so who knows what the 20+ years future will decide?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Albums

Posted on: 10 July 2012 by Andrew Porter

BigH47, I really didn't mean it to be "just another favourite album thread". Whilst Grace for Drowning

is a brilliant album, I'm not sure if in 20 years or so it will be regarded as a "classic".

Maybe what I should have originally said is what "classic albums from the early 2000's might the beeb have a program about? " Maybe there hasn't been a true classic album for some time?

 

On looking back to the 70"s and 80's there does seem to be a lot more "classics", is that maybe down to nostalgia,or is that the majority of music is pretty average (crap!) now? I suppose on reflection chart music is pretty rubbish now as artists don't need their music to be in the charts to become successful and bands don't need to produce anything of any quality to be heard.

 

Or maybe I'll have to wait 20 years to find out ,as only time can show what is truly a "classic"?

 

Posted on: 10 July 2012 by Guido Fawkes

The 80s had very little in the way of classic music for me: it is always going to be an opinion. 

 

It would be a shame if the BBC ignored Basia Bulat's masterpiece for yet another documentary on Pink Floyd (nothing against PF, though they never quite did it for me without Syd). Of course, I can't deny TDSOTM has outsold it and I'm sure will continue to do so in whatever format it is released in next, but ..... surely, you have all seen programmes on PF albums from every angle conceivable. 

 

There has been a programme on The Drift and how it was made. 

 

The BBC have never done a Half Man Half Biscuit programme despite them being the most requested band in the history of the John Peel show; perhaps Jeff Dreadnought is to blame, not that you see him around Stroud these days. 

 

So if the thread is about what album the BBC might consider then I guess something by Madonna or Kyllie Monogue or one of those rap fellows (unfortunately not Tom Rapp). 


Looked at the list of classic albums and don't believe one of the entries ......