What do people do with their cds?

Posted by: keano on 08 August 2012

Have finally bought a LIV Zen 2TB CD Ripping Music Server NAS to my SuperUniti and are very satisfied. But what do people do with their cds selling them or keeping them?

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by BigH47

I play mine on a CDP seems to work really well.

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by Wugged Woy

If anyone has any problems deciding what to do with their CD's, I am willing to 'store' them all at my place.......

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by Tog
@Woy :-) @Hook - it is a fascinating hypothetical isn't it - and one that I threw out there in response to what I felt was a rather presumptive and sanctimonious comment given in response to what I regarded as a fairly harmless post. I have rhino grade skin but I felt it rude to accuse someone of being dishonest so felt it only right to continue poking around the issue. Amusing that we may all be in technical (and moral ) breach of the law by ripping CDs at all under UK statute. :-)) Since the strand is now more about the vagaries of the law and the hypothetical dangers to my eternal soul ( do animals go to heaven?) - I would probably be able to sleep if Oxfam benefited from a stolen car - but only if it were something really swish :-) however, the analogy breaks down as I wouldn't still be in possession of a copy of that upmarket motor if I were foolish enough to 'rip and donate' :-0 Still in the view of at least one poster I need to admit to myself that the whole concept of 'rip an' donate' (I like that phrase - TM pending) is theft - no kidding... I'm shocked! Still I've no time to worry about hypotheticals I've got to meet George at No 11 to advise on new austerity measures this morning and a conference call with Mr Assad to advise on a new public relations policy. Moral philosophy 101 with Adam Meredith will have to wait. Tog
Posted on: 09 August 2012 by Guido Fawkes

If you threw the CDs away or incinerated them, but kept the rip then would that be illegal?

 

When cassette was introduced, we learned that "Home taping is killing music" ... so it should be dead and buried by now. 


I wish I could archive books and magazine articles then I could burn them - I detest books, which take up far too much space .... except, of course, for my favourite book ... Fahrenheit 451. 

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by DrMark

And IIRC, the advent of now forgotten digital tape was to be the final nail in the coffin.

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by DrMark
Originally Posted by keano:

Have finally bought a LIV Zen 2TB CD Ripping Music Server NAS to my SuperUniti and are very satisfied. But what do people do with their cds selling them or keeping them?

Do they make a product of this ilk for sale in the USA?  (I looked and had trouble finding; only saw UK results.)

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by Bart

The US Supreme Court's decision in the "Betamax" case established that home videotaping of tv shows for "time shifting" is "Fair Use" under the US copyright laws, and I would absolutely expect that ripping of a cd for home use replay via a streamer instead of a cd player would be judged similarly.  I think that the facts are more similar than different.  (I am assuming that the home owner retains the cd.)

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by Portll

It's legal in the UK and USA to rip a copy for your own storage and/or listening purposes - essentially you have bought the right to one copy of the song and may change the media it is stored on - the legal issues are there if you try to give away (share) a copy, as you only own one

 

The other time it becomes illegal is if you play it in a venue situation (# people, type of premises, type of event are all factors), or if you play two copies at once when you're only intending to listen to one, and another party has physical control of the media (i.e. play 2 copies, need 2 licenses).

 

Hope that helps.

 

What do I do with my CD's? I play them! Then I put them back in the rack - PC is for my FLAC rips and/or high resolution audio. I run USB @ 24/96 to the Musical Fidelity M1 DAC. Fantastic value for money and amazing resolving power.

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by keano
Originally Posted by DrMark:
Originally Posted by keano:

Have finally bought a LIV Zen 2TB CD Ripping Music Server NAS to my SuperUniti and are very satisfied. But what do people do with their cds selling them or keeping them?

Do they make a product of this ilk for sale in the USA?  (I looked and had trouble finding; only saw UK results.)

http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/

 

 

 

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by Portll

keano, isn't it against the forum rules to post links to retailers of any kind? that was my understanding anyhow, but i'm new here!

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by keano
Originally Posted by Portll:

keano, isn't it against the forum rules to post links to retailers of any kind? that was my understanding anyhow, but i'm new here!

Ups sorry if it against the rules

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by mudwolf

This goes back to tape days and vinyl, I made tapes for friends and received them from friends.  The artists I liked I bought more of, the ones I didn't may have a minor loss, but then the tape usually self destructed after a few years.  

 

Also, since I"m buying half of my CDs used at Amoeba I guess I"m guilty of ripping off the artist by not paying $16 for it. ( anybody else buy used?) I think they've already made money from the original.  This is especially important to groups or companies like EMI that are redoing their collections of important works that already made a bundle decades ago.

 

I confess my Beatles box set was bought at Amoeba second hand. I had a nice conversation with the guy ahead of me. As I got to the counter turning in my stuff for evaluation he pulled out the box set. My eyes widened, I told the counter man I was after the Beatles and nodded to the right.  He said "we don't usually do that right away". I understood.  Went about a $100 buying spree and when I was called up there it was. I was ever so grateful and another $150 on my card, Amoeba made a huge profit.  I had bought the Beatles albums from the late 60s and then more in 80s, I doubt JPG&R are hurting and Michael Jackson had turned the rights over to Sony to pay his debts.  My thought is he should have invited Paul , Ringo , Olivia and Yoko to buy them, that would have been the right thing to do, but King of Pop was too blitzed to be magnanimous. Sony can sue me for the extra $75, or whatever.

 

Lets face it some key figures make fortunes and others fade away having had a great time.

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by Tog
Watch it - the Morality Police will be on to you. Tog
Posted on: 09 August 2012 by milfs

I am w ith you tog, a great service to a very worthy cause.

Martyn

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by jfritzen

Worthy cause maybe, but there's no way to argue that it's legal unless you destroy the copies.

Posted on: 09 August 2012 by DrMark

I guarantee you in the USA for sure, and maybe in the UK, they have so many laws upon laws that you break 2 or 3 a day without even knowing it.

 

And that's how TPTB want it...they're there just in case they need to use them.

Posted on: 15 August 2012 by Jumping Jack

I use fleecepack to store my cd's in.

Posted on: 16 August 2012 by chimp

I listen to them

Posted on: 16 August 2012 by Eloise
Originally Posted by Portll:

It's legal in the UK and USA to rip a copy for your own storage and/or listening purposes - essentially you have bought the right to one copy of the song and may change the media it is stored on - the legal issues are there if you try to give away (share) a copy, as you only own one.

Actually, it's illegal to rip a copy of a CD in the UK even if you keep the original. Not sure anyone has ever been prosecuted for it...

 

There are moves afoot to look at the law but (AFAIK) nothing scheduled for debate even.

 

Eloise

 

PS. some of this may come under the Digital Economy Act that was passed at the end of the last parliament but I believe it is still prohibited under law - of course something like 59% of people THINK it is legal to rip a CD (or in the past copy vinyl to cassette, etc) with 55% of people saying they do it.

Posted on: 16 August 2012 by ChrisH

Since owning my Uniti and US my CD purchases have increased severalfold. I have nointention of getting rid of the CD's mainly because I am quite attached to my music purchases (still have all my vinyl boxed even though I no longer own a turntable), And for all the legal reasons mentioned above, but I really need to lose the jewel cases to cut down on the storage space.

Has anyone seen any kind of storage files / wallets that are capable of holding the CD, the booklet, and also the inlay from the back of the jewel case (without folding it in two) ?

 

Thanks for any tips!

Posted on: 16 August 2012 by Tog
What is it about our simian psyche that is so attached to collecting and holding onto stuff? Tog
Posted on: 16 August 2012 by Jumping Jack
Originally Posted by ChrisH:

Since owning my Uniti and US my CD purchases have increased severalfold. I have nointention of getting rid of the CD's mainly because I am quite attached to my music purchases (still have all my vinyl boxed even though I no longer own a turntable), And for all the legal reasons mentioned above, but I really need to lose the jewel cases to cut down on the storage space.

Has anyone seen any kind of storage files / wallets that are capable of holding the CD, the booklet, and also the inlay from the back of the jewel case (without folding it in two) ?

 

Thanks for any tips!

Yes, the fleecepacks I mentioned above are exactly that. Just Google it... 

Posted on: 16 August 2012 by ChrisH

Many thanks Jumping Jack, I've never heard of or seen these before. they are just the job. Cheers!

Posted on: 16 August 2012 by ChrisH

Tog, yes there's some kind of deep rooted mental attachment to 'stuff' ! I would love to be minimalist, but it's never going to happen in my house