Why naim don't use the "Gracenote" DB for database query on Their ripping system ?

very interesting question. Is far better than any other...

Dear Marco,

Last time I checked was a long time ago and my opinion may be based on out-of-date experience, but I've always found Rovi's database to be the most accurate, comprehensive and better curated than any other. It's the only one I know of that is able to give the performers, the engineers, the producers, the labels, the releases, etc. And for classical music it is quite comprehensive too, with a lot of information regarding the conductor, the performers and their instruments, etc. However there might be other better, specialized and professionally curated databases in this specific musical field that I don't know about.

I agree that for international releases Rovi could do better (my experience is with french pop mainly), but it's OK.

As for the sake of physical media inventory, I found the collaborative Discogs better than others, and better than Amazon in particular.

I may be more demanding than others regarding this particular subject though.

ATB

Maurice

Since Itunes uses gracenote they have a lot of disks in there database. I suppose the problem for Naim is the price you have to pay for the use of the service. When my ns01 cannot recognize a disk there is a good possibility for a match by using Itunes.

Claus

Claus,

I agree that Gracenote's DB is probably a bit wider and more diverse than Rovi's, but the information in the latter is richer (and more accurate I think).

Maybe the money was a factor, but access to Rovi's database is not free (except when using their consumer-oriented website or app) and Naim has to pay a license for that.

Maurice

Gracenote definitely recognizes more discs than Rovi. I have 30 cds in my unitiserve not matched. Almost all of this can be matched with iTunes (Gracenote). Expecially with organ music by small niche labels, Gracenote is far better IMO...

Interesting Lod, thanks for sharing.

ATB

Maurice

Interesting, I use dBpoweramp, and I activate all the metadata databases it can use in an order of preference. In the last 500 or so CDs I ripped, the only discs that didn't match for metadata have  been Mojo cover discs, but if i wait they do usually match within 4 weeks of publication, and a couple of local band .CDs that have been privately published that you can only obtain from the band so not suprising.. My collection is I am sure as eclectic as many on this forum.. With obscure choices being english madrigals, english  acoustic folk, British dance band (30s and 40s), German experimental Electronica , Parisian accordian cafe music. IME Gracenotes is some way behind for more unusual recordings or obscure genres.

Simon

Thanks to Guy, english acoustic folk is not obscure any more !

Interesting how some people think Gracenote is "better" because it can recognize more albums, whereas I find Rovi "better" because it gives much more information on the albums it gets, and thus, with the Naim solution, a better way for searching, correlating and (re)discovering.

Oh well, to paraphrase Hook, in some other universe I would be considered normal.

Have a nice day gentlemen

Maurice

Maurice , indeed there are quite a few obscure English folk on this forum 

completely agree Maurice .... Rovi provides a lot of metadata on the album content

Nice thread to follow. i simply use the Naim system on DTC and have around 3500 albums on system, and only 10 that have no database lookup.

would welcome advise as to how i might search for these 10 albums using the systems you mention above, ie ROVI and Db poweramp?

paul

Can I propose one possibility that has not yet been explored...

Perhaps the paid-for / licensed service providers include an exclusivity agreement in their terms and conditions that preclude the use of their service in conjunction with A.N.Other paid-for / licensed provider?

Phil

You cannot use dbPoweramp to directly add metadata to a CD ripped on your Naim Music Server and Rovi support is included in the current release of the nServe app on the iPhone / iPod Touch / iPad...

Cheers

Phil

I sincerely hope this was a joke or ironic.

If that's an honest opinion then the whole point of the internet seems to have been by-passed.

It should encourage choice - not limit it.

There are many instances in the real world where contracts and agreements legally tie in or restrict users ...

Phil 

Indeed Phil,

But your post seemed to imply that if a user buys a Naim product that accesses a certain database they are then precluded from using another - whether they pay for that service or not.

You'd have a hard time justifying that in a court.

I took Phil's reply to mean that Naim are unable to access some resources due to those resources having exclusive arrangements with other parties; not that Naim are choosing to limit our  access.

I cannot discuss any specifics of licensing terms - I have however given a possible scenario as to why it may not be possible to have more than one "paid for" service provider on a single device.

This may also occur with "premium service" providers too...

Cheers

Phil

That's my understanding too. After all, Rovi and Gracenote are competitors as they both sell access to a music database.

Naim are using FreeDB as a fallback if I remember well. Other free databases could be then added to the list, should they choose to do so.

I'm not Phil but the Rovi database is what is used by your HDX to populate your rips metadata. That is the information you see in n-Serve when you browse your ripped music.

Access to the consumer-oriented information from Rovi is provided in the new version of n-Stream for streamers, but I'm not aware that this same functionality is available in n-Serve, as that would be a duplicate of what you're already seeing.

Provided I got it right, that is...

HTH

Maurice

Sorry - Did I say it was in nServe - it's in nStream...

Phil