AV2 : Multi 7.1 input quality ? What cables ?

Posted by: karyboue on 27 August 2012

I use the 7.1 input of my AV2 (+ NAP145 + 2x NAP200) for Blu Ray sound connected with chord chrysalis cables.

 

In the past 6 months I have tested those solutions connected to the multi input :

- Panasonic Blu Ray recoder DMR BW 500 + Yamaha RXV-667 as a decoder

- Panasonic Blu Ray player DMP BDT 500 (EISA 2012-2013)

- since saturday : Panasonic Blu Ray recorder DMR BWT 700 + Cambridge 551R as a decoder.

 

- The BW500 + yamaha (DTS MASTER HD) was very very slightly more defined than the AV2 (CoreDTS)

- The DMP BDT500 was similar to the Yamaha.

- The Cambridge is on par with the AV2 decoding (I add a Furutech 314 power chord tonight to the Cambridge)

 

 

Is it the AV2 that has a fabulous SD decoding or the 7.1 analog input that has reached its limits ?

 

What cables do you use ?

Are some cables very much better than the chrysalis ?

Otherwise, the all investment on that 7.1 analog output is really not worth the price. I have until friday to send back the Cambridge unit.
For the moment I am quite disappointed. 

Posted on: 29 August 2012 by karyboue

No answer ?

 

Are the Chord Crimson Plus better than the Chrysalis ?

Posted on: 29 August 2012 by GerryMcg

I have a Denon 2012 Bluray player and use the 5.1 into my AV2, to my ears this offers superior sound to the previous DVD player with AV2 decoding and also is superior to Sky decoding.

 

I use Mark Grant cables for connection.

 

Gerry

Posted on: 29 August 2012 by tonym

If you're using the 7.1 analogue inputs on the AV2 then it isn't doing the decoding, you're just using its volume control.

Posted on: 29 August 2012 by karyboue
Originally Posted by GerryMcg:

I use Mark Grant cables for connection.

 

Gerry

I can't find DIN cables on their website ?

Posted on: 29 August 2012 by GerryMcg

Apologies, I got the cables from Flashback sales, not expensive but they do  fine job. I bought a 4 phono to 5 Pin DIN, and a 2 phono to 5 pin DIN for 5.1. 

 

Gerry

Posted on: 29 August 2012 by karyboue
Originally Posted by GerryMcg:

Apologies, I got the cables from Flashback sales, not expensive but they do  fine job. I bought a 4 phono to 5 Pin DIN, and a 2 phono to 5 pin DIN for 5.1. 

 

Gerry

Thanks,

 

I had contacted them once and never got an answer ...

Posted on: 29 August 2012 by GerryMcg

I would give them another try, I have had excellent service from them in the past, as have many others.

 

Gerry

Posted on: 29 August 2012 by karyboue

I just ordered the cables from Flashback sales.

Posted on: 29 August 2012 by GerryMcg

Let me know how you get on with them.

Posted on: 29 August 2012 by karyboue

Ok, I bought the premieres.

Posted on: 29 August 2012 by rackkit
Originally Posted by GerryMcg:

Apologies, I got the cables from Flashback sales, not expensive but they do  fine job. I bought a 4 phono to 5 Pin DIN, and a 2 phono to 5 pin DIN for 5.1. 

 

Gerry

Dave did me two pairs of 4 phono to 5 Pin DIN in case i ever went for 7.1 using Premieres. I guess it was just in case i ever went for 7.1.


You never know...


What centre speaker are you using now you swapped your SL2s for Ovators?



Posted on: 30 August 2012 by GerryMcg

I am still using the Axess, it does not voice as well with the Ovators but not too bad. I cannot see any alternatives. 

 

Gerry

Posted on: 30 August 2012 by Felty99

I've also been planning integration of an AV2 processor and NAPV175 amp into my existing system (Nait XS, Denon 3800BD). I'd planned on using 3 pairs of existing stereo phono leads which I currently use between the Denon and Pioneer AV receiver (to be replaced by the AV2). Would this not be feasible? Or do people generally prefer phono-DIN interconnects for sound quality?

 

Could someone tell me how long the reversed AV2 interconnect is, so I can work out how close I'll need the AV2 and Nait XS? Thanks.

Posted on: 30 August 2012 by Richard Dane

The AV2 interconnect is about 1.25m AFAIK.  I have had a much longer lead made up by Naim though - 5m.  It needed to be slugged - I think 100k, but best check with Naim to be sure.

 

If you want to connect the M/C output of the Pioneer to the AV2 you'll need  two 4 RCA - DIN leads, which provide the 8 channels (7.1) for the combined VIPS inputs on 2 DINS.

Posted on: 30 August 2012 by Felty99
Originally Posted by Richard Dane:

The AV2 interconnect is about 1.25m AFAIK.  I have had a much longer lead made up by Naim though - 5m.  It needed to be slugged - I think 100k, but best check with Naim to be sure.

 

If you want to connect the M/C output of the Pioneer to the AV2 you'll need  two 4 RCA - DIN leads, which provide the 8 channels (7.1) for the combined VIPS inputs on 2 DINS.

Thanks Richard, I'll check with Naim as you suggest. 5M will be plenty

Posted on: 11 September 2012 by karyboue
Originally Posted by GerryMcg:

Let me know how you get on with them.

Thanks, those cables were the good advice.

Much clearer than the old chrysalis but material.

 

 

I ran tests with the Cambridge 551R but also a Yamaha Aventage AX810 that I received last week.

 

The Yamaha is very wide on the front and rear channels, very nice ambiance, much wider than the AV2 but the central speaker seems to be behind the TV, in fact the all front stage is like flat ...

It is also very precise on high frequencies, you hear sounds much clearer than with the AV2 or the Cambridge.

 

 

The Cambridge is very powerfull on the rears, but it is only a bit more detailled than the AV2.

The very good point is the voices : much more articulated and real than with the AV2, really very nice voices.

But where are gone the bass ?

 

 

I also noticed that the lower the encoding quality, the better the Yam and Cambridge were over the AV2.

On DTS, the Yamaha and Cambridge are better than the AV2, that's obvious but with different qualities.

But to my ears, the difference is not important enough knowing than almost all blu rays are encoded with DTS Master HD. But it is very possible that I should upgrade my speakers ...

 

My conclusion is than an Yamaha + a Cambridge would do the deal but together.

And having listened to quite a few various forms of low end HD decoder, I really don't understand why Naim can't launch an AV3 or a Blu Ray player to connect to the 7.1 input of the AV2 ??? That's a real mystery to me.

 

 

So, I packed the 2 amp, plugged the Furutech power chord into the AV2 for the first time and I take a few days to choose an upgrade road :

I probably keep the flashback sales cables, in case I buy -again- a Panasonic BDT500 + a Sub (as I am in 5.0).

But as I noticed the lack of front speakers with the AV2 compared with the Yam and Cambridge, my favorite road would be replacing the NAP 200 by a NAP 250.2 + a Power-Line (that would also be a nice upgrade to listen to CDs with my DVD5)

Posted on: 28 September 2012 by rackkit

Hi karyboue.

 

How are you getting on with the AV2 and analogue cables?

 

Cheers,

 

Rack.

 

Posted on: 28 September 2012 by karyboue
Originally Posted by rackkit:

Hi karyboue.

 

How are you getting on with the AV2 and analogue cables?

 

Cheers,

 

Rack.

 

As I explained on my previous post, those cables are much better than the Chrysalis but the sound is not better enough to keep the HD amps.

I keep the cables as I'll probably buy another Panasonic BDT500.

 

I prefer changing the front amp for a 250.2 than upgrading the HD sound.

 

And I receive a Powerline for the 145 next week.