Long post - no need to read it of course.

Posted by: Naimiac on 15 September 2012


Can't help feeling that there are some who can't see life outside of Naim.


 

The member Justin 9960 ends a post of his with this sentence. From here I start mine.

Actually, I sometimes have a feeling (or at least it's the impression I get from it) that for some of us there is little life outside of this forum.

Yet, communication at this level is nonexistent or close to it: I don't know any of the forum members personally (safe a couple of them, who didn't, and don't, know my forum name), but in spite of this I had more than one chance to argue, often sharply, with a few of them - people who, outside of this forum, I would probably have never met, or I would never have any reason to argue with, because there would never have been a chance to reach such a level of intimacy where a serious argument was possible.

But what intimacy is this? Is there any meaning in communicating with people you don't know? After a basic level of it, it would become necessary to start interacting personally, and this is not possible for many here.

 

All this talk about Naim and audio is actually intoxicating, and builds a false sense of community where no community is possible; and yet, some of the interactions that take place inside real communities take place here, and likes and dislikes form and develop, bringing tensions along with them.

 

I have always detested those who call themselves out: who point a finger at the system's fallacies from the inside of it, but as if they were outside of it; and that is why the remark in epigraph has a bit annoyed me, even though I don't know its author. And that is why I am tired of spending time here, because no sense can be found in getting annoyed by someone who doesn't even actually exist for you. I myself could be anyone, and no one can know for sure.

 

So I'll give a good example, and will show that there is life outside of Naim even though I won't get rid of my Naim system (but yes, good as Naim gear is, there is life with other boxes); because at the end of the day what difference is there between me and a 14-year old who spends hours on Twitter or Facebook?

And I invite all those senior, or simply old, members of the forum who still find some enjoyment in posting their opinions here, showing their most personal idiosyncrasies to everybody in a way they would never allow themselves in the open, face to face with people, to restore some private life and let the forum to those who really need it: the depressive, the lonely, the assuming and the young.

 

BTW, I'm not leaving alone.

 

Cordially,

 

Naimiac

 

 

Posted on: 15 September 2012 by thebigfredc

Thought provoking stuff Naimiac?

 

Ihave a couple of questions though:

 

What is an epigraph?

 

Do I  have to fit into all four of the categories you mention to participate in the forum or is one, being young for example, sufficient?

 

Atb

 

Ray

Posted on: 15 September 2012 by David Leedham

Its all about balance as all things in life. Not all or nothing. The forum is what it is. a very useful resource of opinion if you seek one, you may have the luxury of many. We need to accept that characters will sometimes come on strong, forum or no forum. Take some time out Naimiac.

Wishing you well.

Posted on: 15 September 2012 by pjl2

The forum is basically the Naim owners' club. A microcosm of life and indeed of the hi-fi world. An amusing diversion. Start taking it too seriously or letting it become too important to you and you are likely to become very narrow-minded, very boring, very un-fullfilled and somewhat less financially well-off.

 

As for the contributors, we all see only a tiny slice of each other and each others lives - the hi-fi part. Nothing necessarily wrong there, but don't start imagining that you really know anyone here. It is rather like work colleagues. You may know them very well within the work place, but that is only a tiny part of them. Unless you socialise with them oustide of work then you really have very little idea of who they really are.

 

Yes there is life beyond Naim. But you won't discover it by hanging around these parts!

 

Peter 

Posted on: 15 September 2012 by Gale 401

The forum when it went Hooplus changed for a lot of members.

The music room has suffered the most imo.

All the other rooms move on with same old same old.

The search is now working but people still don't use it just like the FAQs section.

How long is a length of NACA5 ?

Regarding face to face?

I say as i find always have done.


I have made some very good friends because of this place over the years and have had some fun times with them off forum as have many others i know.

Stu.


Posted on: 15 September 2012 by sheffieldgraham
Originally Posted by Naimiac:


Can't help feeling that there are some who can't see life outside of Naim.


 

The member Justin 9960 ends a post of his with this sentence. From here I start mine.

Actually, I sometimes have a feeling (or at least it's the impression I get from it) that for some of us there is little life outside of this forum.

Yet, communication at this level is nonexistent or close to it: I don't know any of the forum members personally (safe a couple of them, who didn't, and don't, know my forum name), but in spite of this I had more than one chance to argue, often sharply, with a few of them - people who, outside of this forum, I would probably have never met, or I would never have any reason to argue with, because there would never have been a chance to reach such a level of intimacy where a serious argument was possible.

But what intimacy is this? Is there any meaning in communicating with people you don't know? After a basic level of it, it would become necessary to start interacting personally, and this is not possible for many here.

 

All this talk about Naim and audio is actually intoxicating, and builds a false sense of community where no community is possible; and yet, some of the interactions that take place inside real communities take place here, and likes and dislikes form and develop, bringing tensions along with them.

 

I have always detested those who call themselves out: who point a finger at the system's fallacies from the inside of it, but as if they were outside of it; and that is why the remark in epigraph has a bit annoyed me, even though I don't know its author. And that is why I am tired of spending time here, because no sense can be found in getting annoyed by someone who doesn't even actually exist for you. I myself could be anyone, and no one can know for sure.

 

So I'll give a good example, and will show that there is life outside of Naim even though I won't get rid of my Naim system (but yes, good as Naim gear is, there is life with other boxes); because at the end of the day what difference is there between me and a 14-year old who spends hours on Twitter or Facebook?

And I invite all those senior, or simply old, members of the forum who still find some enjoyment in posting their opinions here, showing their most personal idiosyncrasies to everybody in a way they would never allow themselves in the open, face to face with people, to restore some private life and let the forum to those who really need it: the depressive, the lonely, the assuming and the young.

 

BTW, I'm not leaving alone.

 

Cordially,

 

Naimiac

 

 

Are you suggesting your'e leaving the forum along with others.

If so it's  a bit of a presumption that others are leaving for the same reasom as yourself.

I think you are looking at this forum rather too deeply. It's as if you have a chip on your shoulder. You need to lighten up. We all get  out of the forum what we want, be it self aggrandisement or a genuine wish to be of service to others.

As human beings we have different characters and therefore it is inevitable that on a forum these come to the surface.

It's the nature of the beast,

You need to accept that; if not goodbye. 

Posted on: 15 September 2012 by Bart

I used to do a bit of online gaming, and when someone would post on our forum that they were quitting the game, the obligatory response was, "Can I have your stuff?"

 

I would propose to introduce that here; something like, "Can I have your HiLine?" 

 

Naimiac, maybe your post is too subtle for me, as I really don't understand your criticism(s).  To they extent they are summed up when you wrote, "But what intimacy is this? Is there any meaning in communicating with people you don't know? After a basic level of it, it would become necessary to start interacting personally, and this is not possible for many here." -- such is the way of ALL such fora. These are the groundrules -- we don't know each other personally, for the most part.  If this form of communication no longer suits you, by all means "retire" from it.  It's nothing to be ashamed of, alarmed at, or to be mourned.  Nor is it something to be changed, as indeed the Naim Forum is quite like all others I do and have participated on over the many years.

 

Myself, I am grateful for the advice I have received here, both technical and re: music.  There is much potential in the Music Room for me, and I have already discovered quite a bit of music because of it.  Now that I know a little about the Naim kit I own, I am happy to help others even newer to it when they cannot figure out how to, say, get their UnitiServe onto their network.

 

Cheers, and can I have your HiLine?

Posted on: 15 September 2012 by Steve J


I have made some very good friends because of this place over the years and have had some fun times with them off forum as have many others i know.

Stu.


+1 Stu

 

I think Naimiac is basically saying we all need to 'get a life'. As far as I'm concerned the forum gives me the opportunity to discus one of my favourite hobbies with more likeminded people than I could ever get to know personally and gives me a little light relief following a hard day at work or game of golf.

 

Steve

Posted on: 15 September 2012 by ken c

i use my system to play music from my recordings at home.  there is no deep philosophy involved.

have i got it wrong?

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 15 September 2012 by Gale 401

Steve.

Posted on: 15 September 2012 by Steve J

Cheers Rodney.

 

I didn't think w*****r or t******r would be deemed offensive given the theme of the thread. I've seen worse on the forum.

Posted on: 16 September 2012 by Wugged Woy
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Cheers Rodney.

 

I didn't think w*****r or t******r would be deemed offensive given the theme of the thread. I've seen worse on the forum.

Steve,

 

Don't you mean :

 

"Cheers Rodney, you plonker". Or am I a bit late with this joke ?

Posted on: 16 September 2012 by Steve J

WW,

 

I wasn't sure I could use the word 'plonker' after my previous post was censored!

 

Steve

Posted on: 16 September 2012 by Wugged Woy
Originally Posted by Bart:

 

 

Myself, I am grateful for the advice I have received here, both technical and re: music.  There is much potential in the Music Room for me, and I have already discovered quite a bit of music because of it. 

 

Originally Posted by Steve J:


I have made some very good friends because of this place over the years and have had some fun times with them off forum as have many others i know.

Stu.


+1 Stu

 

I think Naimiac is basically saying we all need to 'get a life'. As far as I'm concerned the forum gives me the opportunity to discus one of my favourite hobbies with more likeminded people than I could ever get to know personally and gives me a little light relief following a hard day at work or game of golf.

 

Steve


+2. Bart and Steve have it spot on. The amount of knowledge, advice, recommendations I have received from this forum is immeasurable.

 

Yes, as a forum we all spout off steam a little and sometimes over egg the pudding, but let's put that down to the fact we are all crazy passionate about our hobby and love Naim to bits (even if we have a go at them occasionally !! - sorry Naim ). We should try not to be so sensitive to the comments of others, which are after all their personal opinions. No one criticises another persons views JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CRITICISING..... I hope.

 

The forum serves a very worthwhile purpose. Let's just chill out.