HiRes play back buffering issues

Posted by: Mort2k on 20 January 2013

Hi

Hoping someone can shed some light on this little issue.

If my ND5 has been on for a while (stays on at all times) and I select a hires track (24/96 or 24/192) it start to play and then the buffer drops to 0% and you get a pause, once it rebuffers you get a bit more then rinse and repeat!  When this happens standard res play without issue.

Now for the strange bit, a reboot of the ND5 resolves the issue! I can listen ok to anything in that listening session.  Come back the next day and we are back to the above.

Any ideas?

System
ND5XS/82/hi/250
Assett UPnP running on windows7
All music in FLAC
ND5 connected via CAT5 via 1gb switch

Rob
Posted on: 22 January 2013 by AntonD

Hi Rob

I have nd5 like you and it's powered on always. My iMac serves the nd5 with playback UPnP software. Everything is connected via cat5e wire and I don't experience the issue you mention. In fact I have never experienced a connection drop since owning for 7 months now. How old is your nd5?

i assume your pc is connected to router with a wired connection?

regards, anton

Posted on: 22 January 2013 by IanG
Rob, I had exactly the same unit as you will all music not just hi res. the dealer suspected my network so I borrowed his demo unit for a period. Guess what......no problems. The dealer got Naim involved and they replaced my unit straight away. No such problems with the new unit yet. First unit was about 4 months old when the problem started.
Posted on: 22 January 2013 by AntonD

Hi

Just to be clear I regularly play 192 kHz files with no issues. Buffer always at 100%. I think good advice from Ian if its possible to get another unit from dealer to try.

atb, anton

Posted on: 22 January 2013 by IanG

Sorry Rob. That should have said same problem as you. But it was with FLAC CD rips as well as hi res. at the time I was using home plugs. When the problem started I went to the expense of putting a Cat 5e cable in but the problem persisted. That was when my dealeus started to suspect the unit not my network and so it proved.

 

since then I have removed my router from the loop by a switch and I never have buffering problems or dropouts at all.

Posted on: 22 January 2013 by Nigel

Hi Rob

 

Unfortunately this sounds almost identical to an issue I have experienced.  My kit then was:

  • NDX/XPS2/282/200
  • Assett UPnP running on Win 7 Virtual server running on VMWare 4i
  • QNAP 509 Pro NAS
  • All connection via CAT5e into GB switch
  • All files in FLAC and streamed in FLAC

 

Symptoms were:

After power on, all was ok for two days playing back 192 hires.  After this the buffer would get smaller and smaller, thus resulting in playback failure.  At which point rebuffing would occur and playback would resume.  And the same process would happen again numerous times playing back the same track.  If you were to leave the system ON over time (a week or so) the NDX would fail to play even standard res files!

Having spent many hours performing protocol analysis and debugging, I came to the conclusion this was a fault on the NDX and not a networking/configuration issue.  This can easily be proved by powering off or disconnecting and reconnecting the Ethernet cable.  This has the effect of resetting the network card / UPnP and hey presto back working again for two days.

 

Resolution:

Once convinced the fault was with the NDX I contacted Naim support.  I spent months trying to convince Naim that the fault was with the NDX; they insisted it was networking issues/equipment issues rather than accept their equipment was at fault.  After THREE replacement NDX’s we got to the point of “fix it” or money back.  Eventually, Naim managed to recreate a very similar fault and had to admit there was an issue.  This resulted in Naim having to make a private release of firmware to fix bugs in the network/decoder card which was eventually included in NDX firmware release 3.16

 

So after my ramble, my advice to you would be don't waist any more of your time troubleshooting the issue and speak to Naim support.  They should now be able to quickly identify such an issue and help to sort it.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Nigel

 

Posted on: 25 January 2013 by Mort2k
Many thanks everyone, good to know I am not alone. With this issue I will double check my switch and then get in contact with Naim. Will update once I have a resolution Rob