Spirituality and music.

Posted by: PureReader on 04 March 2013

There is music which seems to be able to take me beyond thought and beyond emotion.

In fact, its as if it had the capacity to dissolve emotions and take me closer to what I experience as a truer Self. By which I mean a more innocent, deep Self-experience which seems to get exposed and strengthened (or maybe it would better to say re-manifests) when clouds of emotional content, temporary feelings, conditionings, habitual thought processes, identifications, masks, even of a euphoric nature, or simple boredom and frustration of superficiality reside.

I'm talking about regaining innocence,  rediscovering the essence, the roots, without losing maturity.

Akin to the power of nature, which can relieve us of the pressure of the multitude of stimuli transported via some modern media (e.g. tv) and of the multitude of perceptions we make in typical modern cities in which we live. Perceptions which attract our ego, our super-ego  -  parts of our psyche which invoke all kinds of desires into our consciousness. Desires to possess something, desires of lust and greed, and the desire to become cunning enough to fulfil them!

So in my experience, just like nature does, its as if certain music has the ability to reveal the desireless, innocent nature of my deeper inner Self.

Rediscovery of the reality and power of innocence, which definitely everyone must have hidden within somewhere, because we were all innocent children once. 

The first time I consciously realized music can do this was when some friends played me indian shennai, sitar, flute and santoor music played by Vilayat Khan and Nikhil Banerjee (sitar), Bismillah Khan (shehnai), Hariprasad Chausaria (flute).

But in the West we had the possibly greatest spiritual musician with Mozart. Also Bach is great. As far as I can tell (Mozart's letters, history on Bach)
both had the confident inner attitude, that all music they performed and composed was to praise God. Of course I'm sure they were happy when the audiences enjoyed too, but I think in this attitude lies the reason for the egolessness and the archetypical nature of the music of these great personalities. I think its a pity that many interpretations of Mozart today focus too much on expressing and revealing personal emotional content, which in my view is missing the point. I think if Mozart is played with a pure heart it has the capacity to dissolve emotions. Which is something so fundamentally powerful and I believe truer to Mozart's intentions. Examples which in my view are pretty good: Many of Karl BÖhms interpretations, early symphonies by Academy of St. Martin in the Field / Neville Marriner. Any Mozart interpretation by Editha Gruberova. Invariably children play Mozart with pure joy, innocence and purity of heart. I do enjoy Mozart played very expressively as long as Mozarts intention, that his music was written to praise God and to relieve us of all that is mundane doesn't get lost. 

At the mo I enjoy:
Mozart, Bach, Haendel
Music of many indian musicians like those mentioned above. Add Bimsen Joshi.
Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan.
But also Eric Clapton. I hear a spiritual component in Bob Dylan's music.

So, does anybody have an interest in the spiritual component of music or simply in music which takes you beyond thought and emotion? Any examples, personal experiences? Any tips?
Posted on: 04 March 2013 by Bert Schurink

Spiritual is perhaps a big word in connection with my feelings with music - but in a way you could talk about a certain level of spiritualism in enjoying music. And then I am not talking about the average normal listening to a piece of music. But the special moments which I guess everyone has with the music. Especially in sad moments the music helps me to experience this sadness even deeper and then also get beyond the sadness. So it works like a certain catalysator. And then there are moments at which the music just strucks you in an unplanned manner. Special moments of being, examples:

Lang Lang - playing the 2nd piano concert of Chopin live - a magic moment

Nigel Kennedy - playing the four seasons live

The first time I heard the four last songs of Straus by Miranda van Kralingen again live

Christian Scott live Isadora

....and some more.

 

Other examples of music with this additional spiritual dimension:

Koln Concert and Sun Bear Concertos: Keith Jarrett

Sonatas and Partitas of Bach by Isabella Faust

Piano Sonatas of Mozart by Mitsuki Uchikada

......

 

So spiritual - yes indeed.

Posted on: 04 March 2013 by George Fredrik

I would say that I think there is absolutely no connection on a spiritual level in music for me.

 

I sometimes love music - or at least the music that I love  - with every fibre of my being, but that intensity that can come from quiet listening - particularly in the dark - where nothing intrudes. It is something akin to meditation. Strangely this total connection with music can also be overwhelming at a great live concert, in spite of less than ideal concert venues ...

 

It is the emptying out of all other stimuli, that stillness that is total immersion, but though the experience is refreshing, and may strengthen a person, spirituality for me is essentially outward looking, while appreciating music is completely inward looking.

 

It can resonate with one's mood, or it can raise one to a happier state!

 

For me spirituality is outward looking, generous, and kindly. Though happiness is important to well being, and a degree of happiness can be found through music, the greatest happiness is actually to be found in generosity ...

 

That, for me, is a spiritual thing.

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 04 March 2013 by George Fredrik

This thread of mine from 2006, under my old Forum membership, will demonstrate the philosophical issue i had with music listening being being a great, but"guilty" pleasure, a mile from the spiritual ...

 

https://forums.naimaudio.com/di...ent/1566878607624401

 

ATB from George, who has long since pondered the point.

Posted on: 04 March 2013 by PureReader
For those who have not heard his music, Hariprasad Chaurasia was a world class flautist.  He played the bansuri flute. Please paste: Misterafghantabla Bansuri Hariprasad Chaurasia  into the youtube search and please choose the (most probably) second result (he's wearing a yellow robe). Amazing style and technique.
He was well known for the powerful meditative effect of his playing. He only thought to please the Gods when playing music, but was also happy if the audience enjoyed.

Two highly interesting and original musical instruments which create a meditative kind of sound are of course the didgeridoo and.....

.....the hang.

OK, many of you may be thinking of the Supernait now. But no...I mean a really cool, modern musical instrument. Like the didgeridoo it seems to be destined to create a meditative kind of atmosphere. Unlike the didgeridoo it is extremely tuneful and has at least the range of a full scale. Like the didgeridoo It creates an immense amount of complex, powerful overtones, not only directly related to the fundamental tone being played. Should sound especially good through naim amps but at the moment I don't have any to try it. Although the music I've heard played on the hang so far, to my ears definitely does not have the depth of great indian music or Mozart or Bach, I do find it interesting to follow the on going development of this modern instrument (invented 2000 in Switzerland) and the music played with it, because it appears to be establishing itself as a conveyor of meditative, maybe spiritual music.

A guy called Daniel Waples playing hang:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WZgSUTyiEz8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mS8eipuXYWg

@George
That's interesting. Myself, I consider spirituality as being an experience within, but maybe that is some kind of illusion.
I don't think I'm the philosophical type not least because I have a hunch that its best to go beyond thought to realize the true Self. (Wow, I just saw a lovely shooting star out of the window here in Vienna (3:15) strangely it seemed to be green glowing. Very fast.) . I agree with the point on generosity (as long as it's from the heart without expectations of gaining some material advantage or for pampering ones own ego). Nice point. I read the thread via the link you gave. Interesting. In fact I wrote > 1000 words as a kind of spontaneous reaction, but they do not seem to constitute a postable comment.
Posted on: 05 March 2013 by PureReader
Can't edit a mistake at the end of the second paragraph of the OP. Last word: not "reside" but fade out, or clear out, was what I meant.
Posted on: 05 March 2013 by George Fredrik

Dear Pure Reader,

 

I just went through that old thread again. 

 

I have come to a much happier state now. I have found an immense value in things that are outward looking, and I can say that in its place music means more than ever - just not out of proportion - and I am happy to enjoy it as the part of life that is self-recharging. Not requiring anyone else's effort to gain strength, and then I can be strong for others in many ways that take energy out of me, but are also satisfying.

 

Music has its value!

 

If I am on holiday in a place where there is no chance to listen to music, then I find that on returning home, the first thing is to find some favourite music to listen to it. Only good comes from it! But there are also other sources of inner strength, which each must find for him or herself.

 

ATB from George