Best Guitarist (reconsidered)

Posted by: dave marshall on 04 March 2013

Hi Gang,

 

Been watching a few hours of Joe Bonamassa in concert, and, really, he is something special.

 

I know that there's all the usual suspects, Ry, Keef, Gilmore etc. but this guy is simply amazing.

 

As a player myself, I'm dumfounded at what he can achieve live,  so any thoughts?

 

Aw ra best........and somewhat humbled,

 

Dave.

Posted on: 15 May 2013 by Binzy1

Personally I feel that whatever song has a fantastic solo that makes me think "god why can't I do that" is the greatest at that moment in time......

But for something different try - Yngwie Malmsteen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnSpVsefuhU

Posted on: 17 May 2013 by Anh

 

No such thing as best guitarist, they all have their own playing styles and respective techniques and this builds into the music.

 

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 17 May 2013 by Dave J
Originally Posted by Anh:

 

No such thing as best guitarist, they all have their own playing styles and respective techniques and this builds into the music.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you Anh, the classification of "best" is something that probably applies only within a forum like this. Having said that, a few here really do need to reward their remarkably fine music-playing-systems with a broader diet than the meat and one veg options that crop up time and time again. 

Posted on: 17 May 2013 by Dave J
Originally Posted by to old to rock:

Have always enjoyed guitar music and these days have a very large collection. The 'Best Guitarist' debate always generates a lot of passion. I think the reality is that most peoples perspective tends to be based initially on their preferred musical tatses rather than the musicians abilities. Many fans get swept along with the seemingly technically challenging high speed widdling but so often its very much about touch and feel and what notes are not played. I played guitar quite badly for many years and tried to mimic the Rock and Blues players along with some Jazzers. However it was only when my son went to Uni to read Commercial Music and majored in Guitar Practical that my horizons were truly widened. His performance pieces evolved from the usual Steve Vai, Joe Satriani repetiore in year one to some truly amazing material which I had never heard of.  Try and listen to some of the following for something different...

 

Electric Jazz - Rock

 

Shawn Lane (sadly deceased) Powers of Ten or Powers of Ten Live.

          For a jazzier performance from Shawn listen to 'Personae'

Guthrie Govan - Still to be heard live on occaisions at my local 'Basement Club' in          Chelmsford,Essex. His solo album Erotic Cakes is very special Indeed. More recenlty he is playing in the 3 piece supergroup 'The Aristocrats'  and their album The Aristocrats is well worth hearing.

You can also hear Guthrie on a superb guitar album Lee Ritenours '6 String Theory' If you like guitar playing this album is a must have -  the guest list is quite something.

 

Accoustic

 

Naims' own Antonio Forcione always good to listen to, however try

Andy McKee , John Gomm and Preston Reid for some truly stunning accoutic fingerstyle gymnastics. I saw all three in concert a few months ago , a really memorable experience.

 

Left Field........Christophe Godin - He demonstrates the most fun you could possibly have playing and listening to guitar. Rock /Jazz style he plays in a 3 piece known as 'MORGLBL'  try 'Jazz For The Deaf' or 'Grotesk'.  A french guitarist but occaisionally does demo tours and seminars in the UK if you have chanced just go and see him play for guitar fans it has to be on your bucket list.

 

 

Excellent left field choice! Morglbl are fabulous but I doubt many here will have heard them.

 

You'll also probably like Mattias Eklundh, Andy Timmons, Don Ross, Jimmy Wahlsteen, Greg Howe and, for some really tasty playing, David Grissom and Michael Landau. Oh yes, and Buddy Whittington.... and..... 

Posted on: 17 May 2013 by YanC

Michael Karoli (Can) for "Mother Sky"

Tetuzi Akiyama (Route 13 to the Gates of Hell ;-) for the "Reminder"

Baden Powell (de Aquino). all early stuff on MPS.

Jim Hall. Especially in the summer

Moudou Ould Mattalla (Mauritania)

Derek Bailey

Fripp for "Baby's on Fire"

 

...and…

The first thin Lizzy lead for "Don't believe a word" (can't remember his name)

Abercrombie for "Back Woods Song"

Hendrix (Woodstock)

 

Edit: had to add Fripp

Posted on: 18 May 2013 by Hot Rats

You have to agree your criteria before any discussion about 'best'. There are plenty of guitarists who have the technical skill to fly around a guitar and play vast amounts of notes. IMHO, any discussion about 'best' must ask the question 'Did this particular musician redefine the art'. If the question is asked about guitar players then it has to be Hendrix. Django Reinhardt is probably also worth a mention. There are few musicians who have redefined the art. Jaco Pastorius is another who springs to mind, although he is obviously not a guitar player. Being a good musician is not about technical skill. A great musician will make good music on whatever instrument you give him/her. All they would have to do would be to figure out how to play it. I know a great guitar player who fancied playing a banjo. he bought one and spent the next few weeks figuring out how to operate it. Ever seen shred banjo playing? (LOL)

Posted on: 18 May 2013 by YanC
Originally Posted by Hot Rats:

...There are plenty of guitarists who have the technical skill to fly around a guitar and play vast amounts of notes...

and Zappa was definitely one of them

 

... IMHO, any discussion about 'best' must ask the question 'Did this particular musician redefine the art'. If the question is asked about guitar players then it has to be Hendrix.

 

I agree with the first part of that.

Hendrix too, as far as rock goes, which IMHO is pretty much done after he's gone.

But lots of guitarists since, have been very influential. For instance Bailey and Fripp, just to pick 2 from the UK.

Posted on: 20 May 2013 by Anh

All, well we should perhaps think in terms of greatest rather than best.

 

Hendrix did change the game for many in the blues/rock world in standard tuning.

 

I personally rate Keith Richards the greatest in rock 'n roll  rhythm guitar player, edging Townshend, although I doubt Ry Cooder agrees.

 

Posted on: 21 May 2013 by Wugged Woy
Originally Posted by VladtheImpala:
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
Originally Posted by DrMark:
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:

Regarding the later, if you love Classical Guitar, you MUST grab hold of this : 

 Simply phenomenal. His version of Bach's Chaconne is 'truly to die for'.

 Regards.

Isn't he a Barrueco understudy?


Yes, Dr., you are right. He did study under the great Manuel Barrueco. He also recorded music for two guitars with him, I believe. He really is something special. The above CD of him playing solo music by Scarlatti, Bach, Mertz etc. is a 'must buy' if you are a Classical Guitar fan ............ trust me.

 

For information, he has his own website www.francoplatino.com.

 

Just been listening to this recommendation. It really is superb playing. Now listening to the David Martinez album in the same series on Naxos...... May be as good!

 

Vlad

Told you, Vlad . I will track down the Martinez recommendation  Thanks.

Posted on: 21 May 2013 by graham halliwell

+1 for Derek Bailey and Jim Hall.  Let's not forget John Fahey.

Posted on: 21 May 2013 by VladtheImpala
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
Originally Posted by VladtheImpala:
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
Originally Posted by DrMark:
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:

Regarding the later, if you love Classical Guitar, you MUST grab hold of this : 

 Simply phenomenal. His version of Bach's Chaconne is 'truly to die for'.

 Regards.

Isn't he a Barrueco understudy?


Yes, Dr., you are right. He did study under the great Manuel Barrueco. He also recorded music for two guitars with him, I believe. He really is something special. The above CD of him playing solo music by Scarlatti, Bach, Mertz etc. is a 'must buy' if you are a Classical Guitar fan ............ trust me.

 

For information, he has his own website www.francoplatino.com.

 

Just been listening to this recommendation. It really is superb playing. Now listening to the David Martinez album in the same series on Naxos...... May be as good!

 

Vlad

Told you, Vlad . I will track down the Martinez recommendation  Thanks.

I've never heard a better version of the Chaconne on guitar than the Platino one. Indeed, I think it one of the best I have heard (in my admittedly limited experience) on ANY instrument.

 

After some repeated listening, maybe the Martinez disc is not quite as good. I still recommend it, though.

 

David Russell plays the entire Partita on his "David Russell Plays Bach" disc. IMO, his version of the Chaconne is not quite as good as Platino's but it is still mighty fine and the rest of the disc is very good.

 

In terms of SQ, the Naxos discs seem to have come on a bit since I last purchased one. The Russell disc is on Telarc - a much richer sound but somewhat veiled and less sparkly at the top-end.

 

So, the Platino is the one to beat in the Chaconne, but you can't really go wrong with any of these virtuoso guitarists.

 

Very happy listening,

Vlad

 


 

Posted on: 21 May 2013 by Wugged Woy
Originally Posted by VladtheImpala:
 

I've never heard a better version of the Chaconne on guitar than the Platino one. Indeed, I think it one of the best I have heard (in my admittedly limited experience) on ANY instrument.

 

After some repeated listening, maybe the Martinez disc is not quite as good. I still recommend it, though.

 

David Russell plays the entire Partita on his "David Russell Plays Bach" disc. IMO, his version of the Chaconne is not quite as good as Platino's but it is still mighty fine and the rest of the disc is very good.

 

In terms of SQ, the Naxos discs seem to have come on a bit since I last purchased one. The Russell disc is on Telarc - a much richer sound but somewhat veiled and less sparkly at the top-end.

 

So, the Platino is the one to beat in the Chaconne, but you can't really go wrong with any of these virtuoso guitarists.

 

Very happy listening,

Vlad

 


 


My wife, a professional Classical guitarist, is a big David Russell fan, Vlad. However, he never quite seems to 'float my boat' like others I can mention.

 

The Naxos series is really excellent and consistent. Sound quality is top drawer.  If you want to investigate further, try Jason Vieaux and Jeffrey McFadden. However, Platino is rather special.

Posted on: 21 May 2013 by Vaughn3D
My votes go to George Harrison, Dave Mustaine, and Buckethead, not necessarily in that order.
Posted on: 21 May 2013 by VladtheImpala
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
Originally Posted by VladtheImpala:
 

I've never heard a better version of the Chaconne on guitar than the Platino one. Indeed, I think it one of the best I have heard (in my admittedly limited experience) on ANY instrument.

 

After some repeated listening, maybe the Martinez disc is not quite as good. I still recommend it, though.

 

David Russell plays the entire Partita on his "David Russell Plays Bach" disc. IMO, his version of the Chaconne is not quite as good as Platino's but it is still mighty fine and the rest of the disc is very good.

 

In terms of SQ, the Naxos discs seem to have come on a bit since I last purchased one. The Russell disc is on Telarc - a much richer sound but somewhat veiled and less sparkly at the top-end.

 

So, the Platino is the one to beat in the Chaconne, but you can't really go wrong with any of these virtuoso guitarists.

 

Very happy listening,

Vlad

 


 


My wife, a professional Classical guitarist, is a big David Russell fan, Vlad. However, he never quite seems to 'float my boat' like others I can mention.

 

The Naxos series is really excellent and consistent. Sound quality is top drawer.  If you want to investigate further, try Jason Vieaux and Jeffrey McFadden. However, Platino is rather special.

Lucky you!

 

Russell's guitar tone seems to be richer than his fellows, even if I am only going from one recording. His sound is closer to that of an all-steel strung guitar - less obviously "nylon" sounding, if that makes sense.

 

I will definitely be on the lookout for more CD's in the Naxos "Laureate"series.

 

Vlad. 

Posted on: 23 May 2013 by bigball
I would add Michael Hedges - check out Aerial Boundaries for one of the most amazing guitar performances ever. Also consider Joni Mitchell , frank Zappa and steve stills Barry
Posted on: 23 May 2013 by ragman
Originally Posted by Vaughn3D:
My votes go to George Harrison, Dave Mustaine, and Buckethead, not necessarily in that order.

Buckethead is technical very very good but left me cold in opposition to Slash.

Posted on: 23 May 2013 by Charles44

No mention of Jerry Garcia - unbelievable. The finest ever.

 

Also Richard Thompson, David Lindley, Ry Cooder, Micky Jones and Peter Green when with F.Mac and his 1st solo.

Posted on: 23 May 2013 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by Charles44:

No mention of Jerry Garcia - unbelievable. The finest ever.

 

Also Richard Thompson, David Lindley, Ry Cooder, Micky Jones and Peter Green when with F.Mac and his 1st solo.

+1 for JG.

 

And what about this guy? A real innovator:

 

Posted on: 23 May 2013 by Kevin-W

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned either of these virtuosi, both of whom sound like nobody else and who are both real "feel" players:

 

 

Posted on: 23 May 2013 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by Frank F:

Yes to SRV and Segovia but what about Steve Vai?  Fast, virtuoso and reads and writes music as well. He put all of the music of Frank Zappa into music as she is written. 

 

We saw him in November last year and that was memorable.  Joe Satriani is on in a couple of weeks and he is another for the list.

 

FF

I'm afraid fretwanking hacks like Vai and Satriani leave me cold.

 

However, I'm not averse to flashy fretwork. This guy was great back in the day...

 

Posted on: 23 May 2013 by Wugged Woy

Wow, I'm amazed that Frank can recommend 'fret-wanking' Steve Vai and Segovia in the same sentence  Impressive though

Posted on: 23 May 2013 by woodcook

Bert Jansch

Martin Simpson

John Williams (said to have perfect hands for a classical gutarist)

Jose Maria Gallardo Del Ray

and many more

Posted on: 23 May 2013 by Vaughn3D
at the risk of being laughed at, im adding Noel Gallagher to my list...not the most technical or humble, but i enjoy every song he ever wrote.
Posted on: 23 May 2013 by VladtheImpala
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:

Wow, I'm amazed that Frank can recommend 'fret-wanking' Steve Vai and Segovia in the same sentence  Impressive though

Maybe they've formed a splinter group.

Posted on: 26 May 2013 by Salmon Dave

No-one's mentioned Duane?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6up076lSH8