Kind of Blue Distortion?

Posted by: willie45 on 20 March 2013

Hi folks.

 

Maybe a bit "off piste" here but I got a CD copy of the above Miles Davis album from Amazon and haven't had a chance to stick it on my CD player yet. I did give it a spin on my computer while doing some work and I notice there seems to be some distortion here and there on the right channel. I don't notice this with other pieces. Is this a "feature" of this CD?

 

Thanks

Posted on: 20 March 2013 by GraemeH

Every track? Which CD version?.  The reason I ask is that my father has a version which he once queried me about thinking he heard a little distortion - I think from memory on the right.

 

if you let me know what you think you are hearing I'll check with him if you like.

 

G

Posted on: 20 March 2013 by Colin Lorenson

First or second track, right speaker there's a tape defect as I recollect

Posted on: 20 March 2013 by willie45

Hi

 

I'm not sure which CD version it is. Pretty recent anyway. I heard it on the first or second tracks on the right with sax. I will investigate further later this week and report back. If it's just the way it is then that's fine. I wondered if I had a copy from a duff pressing batch or something.

 

Thanks

 

Willie

Posted on: 20 March 2013 by GraemeH

A slight 'under rasp' sound as I recall hearing? G

Posted on: 20 March 2013 by KRM

Hi Willie,

 

Are you referring to the reed noise? If so, this is part of the original performance.

 

Keith

Posted on: 20 March 2013 by willie45

Yeah, and prominent at around 55 - 75 secs on the first track and again for a bit at 8.18 or thereabouts. Not so blatant rest of the album but clearly present. Is this normal then for this recording?

Posted on: 21 March 2013 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by KRM:

Hi Willie,

 

Are you referring to the reed noise? If so, this is part of the original performance.

 

Keith

When it was pointed out to me, that's what I thought it was. G

Posted on: 21 March 2013 by willie45

Hi. No it isn't just the reed noise. However, I've since done a bit of research and I suspect one of my external computer speakers might be the culprit. I don't believe it's damaged but it does seem to show some frequencies in a mushy way.

 

Willie

Posted on: 24 March 2013 by Briz Vegas

XR Recording notes.  An interesting read.  I agree, the piano is not right on the CD.  Would be interesting to find out which version is sold by HD tracks.

 

 

Notes on the recordings:

Miles Davis' Kind of Blue is perhaps an unusual choice for a Pristine Audio remastering - it's almost certainly the best-selling jazz album of all time, and there can be few serious record collections which don't own at least one copy of it.


It's also been an album that's been much-remastered. Yet I don't believe that anyone has ever truly mastered its remastering, because some serious sonic problems with the original recording have, for over half a century, never been addressed.


The biggest problem with this album struck me when listening for perhaps the thousandth time (or probably more) back in May 2009. The sound of the piano, my own instrument, was lifeless, flat, and entirely unlike a piano - as if it were fashioned from cardboard rather than wood. The more I listened, the more I realised this was not the only problem, and that it centred around the lower mid-ranges of the instruments, producing a blurred and at times harsh sound in this register.


As an experiment, and for my own listening purposes only, I decided to see what would happen if I applied XR remastering techniques - most specifically re-equalisation and targeted noise reduction - to the recording. The computer tonal analysis revealed what I has suspected, with significant anomalies in the overall sound balance which, when corrected (using other albums by Miles Davis from the period, in particular the 1956 album 'Round About Midnight, as both authentic and better-recorded references), transformed and opened out the whole sound of the album whilst staying true to Miles Davis' 'sound'.


Kind of Blue was original recorded on a three-track tape system, and over the years different stereo releases have varied the stereo width of the instruments. I've opted for slightly less than the full-width approach which can make headphone and close-up listening quite uncomfortable. I've also employed phase correction software to analyses the phase difference between the two stereo channels and adjust for phase differences present between microphones picking up the same instrument. The effect of this is a subtle but distinct sharpening of the stereo imagery.


I've also worked on the fine-tuning of each track, based on a precise analysis of the harmonic frequencies of the piano, noting that tracks on the current 'official' releases are between 0.3% and 0.5% sharp (raising A440 to between 441.3Hz and 442.2Hz). Some minor tape drop-outs, audible from time to time in the cymbals of So What, have been cured. I've also worked hard to reduce tape hiss without compromising the fabulously open sound of the recording.

Notes by Andrew Rose


Posted on: 24 March 2013 by GraemeH

I just downloaded the 24/48 FLAC from the Pristine site and am listening now....need a few spins to compare with my other versions.  Some on-line critics note its dryness and subtle lack of openness in comparison to the Sony speed adjusted release (97 I think) but the piano sounds better, no doubt about that.

 

Worth a £12.40 experiment I'd say. G