Margaret Thatcher 1925-2013

Posted by: Tony2011 on 08 April 2013

Loved or loathed, no denial, the woman was a force to be reckoned with.

RIP

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by dpgreen

The outrageous selling off of council houses, enabling the working class to become property owners instead of paying many times the amount in rent.

Thus avoiding a poverty stricken retirement, passing on the home to their children & maintaining the traditional neighbourhood.

 

Luckily we have some "working class heroes":

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...t-to-buy-scheme.html

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n...ax-avoidance-scheme/

 

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by Wugged Woy
Originally Posted by Clay Bingham

Nonsense, all of it. What was so caring and lovable about labor union thuggery and national incompetence. That was Britain in the 70's make no mistake. A nation with a glorious history that was no longer of any consequence in the modern world. Margaret Thatcher and her political movement changed that dynamic.

Given the way your country was headed it is likely you British live a vastly better life today than you would have without Margaret Thatcher. Was it all good? No, not by a long shot. When you give people economic choice they can use that choice for good or not.

 

IMO many of us living in the Western world today think far too much about our rights and what we're owed and much less about our responsibilities to our community and to others. All this whining and bleating about this politician or that is nothing more than the petulance of overindulged post-war generations. In democratic countries, if you have a problem with your government look no further than the mirror you face in the morning.

 

Don't like Thatcher, spend some time in Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, China, and Iran. They'd love to have your problems.................let me see a new 252 or a used 552.


 By the way, I do not wish to imply this is a British issue alone. Far from it. In the developed and democratic world we are all dealing with these issues. Ask an American about gun control...................I am simply speechless.


Nonsense all of it. Nobody stated that Labour union thuggery was acceptable. The vast majority of people destroyed by Thatcher were just average blokes who were not militant at all. That is the crux of the problem. As for 'National Incompetance', I suppose that was solved , as it is difficult to be incompetant if you don't have a job.  As for Maggie changing the dynamic of the country, don't make me laugh - you obviously didn't live here during this period.

 

As for your China, Iran blurb........... it's like saying to over-run Europeans in WW2,  " stop moaning about that Hitler chap, look at the Russians with that Stalin.... they'd love to have your problems"

 

And those Chilians are so ungrateful..... they didn't realise how lucky they were to have Maggies best friend Augusto Pinochet...........

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by Wugged Woy
Originally Posted by dpgreen:

The outrageous selling off of council houses, enabling the working class to become property owners instead of paying many times the amount in rent.

Thus avoiding a poverty stricken retirement, passing on the home to their children & maintaining the traditional neighbourhood.

 

Luckily we have some "working class heroes":

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...t-to-buy-scheme.html

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n...ax-avoidance-scheme/

 

Hmm. Two links to the Torygraph  

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by Redmires

All the union power in the world could not, and did not, bring about the level of devastation caused by free markets when left to their own, deregulated devices. One of Thatcher's great legacies - I think not.

 

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by ianmacd
Originally Posted by Clay Bingham:
 

 

IMO many of us living in the Western world today think far too much about our rights and what we're owed and much less about our responsibilities to our community and to others. All this whining and bleating about this politician or that is nothing more than the petulance of overindulged post-war generations. In democratic countries, if you have a problem with your government look no further than the mirror you face in the morning.

Hallelujah, Clay - the most sensible thing I have read on this Post.

 

It's the way of the world now - as you said, every one is too quick to point out their rights, not their responsibilities.....

 

Ian

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by Cbr600
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
Originally Posted by dpgreen:

The outrageous selling off of council houses, enabling the working class to become property owners instead of paying many times the amount in rent.

Thus avoiding a poverty stricken retirement, 

i'm sure you realise that the policy to sell off council houses was a specific action that was a Means of getting the workers to establish a high debt base, thus reducing the likelyhood of strikes, as the house owners could not afford to have a loss of pay and risk losing their homes

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by dpgreen
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
Originally Posted by dpgreen:

The outrageous selling off of council houses, enabling the working class to become property owners instead of paying many times the amount in rent.

Thus avoiding a poverty stricken retirement, passing on the home to their children & maintaining the traditional neighbourhood.

 

Luckily we have some "working class heroes":

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...t-to-buy-scheme.html

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n...ax-avoidance-scheme/

 

Hmm. Two links to the Torygraph  

Awfully sorry, Pravda are rather slow getting it on the website.

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by dpgreen
Originally Posted by Cbr600:
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
Originally Posted by dpgreen:

The outrageous selling off of council houses, enabling the working class to become property owners instead of paying many times the amount in rent.

Thus avoiding a poverty stricken retirement, 

i'm sure you realise that the policy to sell off council houses was a specific action that was a Means of getting the workers to establish a high debt base, thus reducing the likelyhood of strikes, as the house owners could not afford to have a loss of pay and risk losing their homes

I'm sure you realise that paying rent is never ending debt.

Councils also evict for non payment of rent, so I'm not sure your argument is valid.

What ever the intention, the result was a lot of council tenant were able to buy their own homes.

 

Although I will agree it could be abused:

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...t-to-buy-scheme.html 


 

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by Wugged Woy
Originally Posted by dpgreen:
 

I'm sure you realise that paying rent is never ending debt.

Councils also evict for non payment of rent, so I'm not sure your argument is valid.

What ever the intention, the result was a lot of council tenant were able to buy their own homes.

 

Although I will agree it could be abused:

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...t-to-buy-scheme.html 


 

It doesn't really matter whether you pay rent or buy a house..... when you have just lost your job, you can't afford either.

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by dpgreen
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
Originally Posted by dpgreen:
 

I'm sure you realise that paying rent is never ending debt.

Councils also evict for non payment of rent, so I'm not sure your argument is valid.

What ever the intention, the result was a lot of council tenant were able to buy their own homes.

 

Although I will agree it could be abused:

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...t-to-buy-scheme.html 


 

It doesn't really matter whether you pay rent or buy a house..... when you have just lost your job, you can't afford either.

Until the mortgage is fully paid; I agree.

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by Conortsun
I'm happy to say I lived my entire life, until leaving for university, in council housing. Since beginning work I have spent +25 years living in rented accommodation in the uk and Europe, most recently in Germany. Renting in the uk has become increasingly stigmatised. Avoided as an option by those that can 'afford' to buy. Dead money we're told. For those that can't or wont buy its become crushingly expensive to rent. aspiring rackman's have snapped up houses as buy-to-lets inflating house prices artificially and driving up rental prices. Housing is loosely regulated. Can this be sustainable;  How much do local authorities in fact now pay out to house tennants with private landlords?

Yes, at the time, it was a short-termist, cynical means of strike control but long-term has led to what i see today. thatcher's 'inspired' housing policy has cast a long shadow.
Posted on: 19 April 2013 by The Strat (Fender)
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
 As for Maggie changing the dynamic of the country, don't make me laugh - you obviously didn't live here during this period.

 

I did - and whilst there were some things about her premiership I didn't like I do think in 1997 when Tony Blair came to power the country was prosperous - public spending under control and no crippling taxation. Now as a typical middle income I'm taxed to oblivion, public debt is massive......I could go on.
Posted on: 19 April 2013 by dpgreen
Originally Posted by Conortsun:
I'm happy to say I lived my entire life, until leaving for university, in council housing. Since beginning work I have spent +25 years living in rented accommodation in the uk and Europe, most recently in Germany. Renting in the uk has become increasingly stigmatised. Avoided as an option by those that can 'afford' to buy. Dead money we're told. For those that can't or wont buy its become crushingly expensive to rent. aspiring rackman's have snapped up houses as buy-to-lets inflating house prices artificially and driving up rental prices. Housing is loosely regulated. Can this be sustainable;  How much do local authorities in fact now pay out to house tennants with private landlords?

Yes, at the time, it was a short-termist, cynical means of strike control but long-term has led to what i see today. thatcher's 'inspired' housing policy has cast a long shadow.


I fully agree with your first paragraph, especially the IMO filthy scum that was:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rachman

 

However for ordinary people to own their homes free from the tyranny of the likes of Rackman & the low level tyranny of any landlords ( including "benevolent" councils) must be the route to freedom.

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by dpgreen
Originally Posted by The Strat (Fender):
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
 As for Maggie changing the dynamic of the country, don't make me laugh - you obviously didn't live here during this period.

 

I did - and whilst there were some things about her premiership I didn't like I do think in 1997 when Tony Blair came to power the country was prosperous - public spending under control and no crippling taxation. Now as a typical middle income I'm taxed to oblivion, public debt is massive......I could go on.

I was on schedule to become incredibly wealthy  before MT came to power.

However "big bang" & "right to buy" made me compete on an equal playing field.

 

Now I am content with what I have worked for.

I bear no grudges against MT, she enabled less fortunate people then I to advance themselves.

 

She has my eternal thanks for liberating the Falklands from a repressive military junta.

Posted on: 19 April 2013 by Wugged Woy
Originally Posted by dpgreen:

She has my eternal thanks for liberating the Falklands from a repressive military junta.

And she has the eternal thanks of Chileans for her support to her close friend Pinochet. Oh, the irony....

Posted on: 20 April 2013 by naim_nymph
Originally Posted by dpgreen:

 

She has my eternal thanks for liberating the Falklands from a repressive military junta.

 

Why, do you live there?

 

99% of the UK public didn't even know where the Falklands was in 1982.

[Although many guessed it was somewhere off the west coast of Scotland!]

 

It was Thatcher [and the Tory Government‘s] fault the war started in the first place:

There were no secret’s kept from anyone that the Falkland Islands were only very lightly defended by a couple of dozen marines with nothing but rifles.

 

Despite repeated warnings from the Royal Navy [and other] intelligence the Thatcher government’s response was to keep very quiet about it whilst shouting loudly about an open planning review to remove HMS Endurance - Britain's only naval presence in the South Atlantic - that sent a signal to the Argentines that Britain was unwilling, and would soon be unable, to defend its territories and subjects on the islands.

 

In other words, it is very clear the Tory Government led by Thatcher deliberately made an invasion plan look very inviting and attractive to the Argies, and wanted and waited for it to happen.

The rest as they say is history, they trampled over the dead bodies of our good brave troops to secure a very bloody electoral win for an extremely corrupt and sadistic Tory government.

 

Thatcher was a traiter of the British people and should have done real long prison time for that.

 

Debs

Posted on: 20 April 2013 by M.Allen
Originally Posted by Sniper:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bes...ef=pd_dp_ts_dmusic_1

 

Look what has shot to number 1

 

Ding Dong

To all those who bought* "Ding Dong the ........." and sent it to No 2 in the charts can I say thank you, thank you, thank you. I've heard Sony and Apple are also grateful for you adding to their sales and profits.
 
In their sad obsessed bitterness they have succeeded in bolstering the coffers of capitalism & the Market; the very thing most of them hate Mrs T for. Oh the irony, you can hear the Iron Lady having a good chuckle.
 
* Reading this thread sounds like there may have been one or two
 
Mark
Posted on: 20 April 2013 by Wugged Woy
Originally Posted by M.Allen:
 
In their sad obsessed bitterness they have succeeded in bolstering the coffers of capitalism & the Market; the very thing most of them hate Mrs T for.
 
Mark

No Mark, this is NOT why the majority hate Thatcher. Please re-read previous posts. Please don't assume that Thatcher haters are just a bunch of left-wing Commie loonies who despise capitalism. It isn't true. Even if the staunch right want to spread this lie.

 

To those responsible for 'Ding, dong..', well done. If you have become richer due to this, then fine. The irony is that you have exploited the Capitalist world to ridicule Thatcher - rather than laugh, she must be turning in her grave.

Posted on: 20 April 2013 by The Strat (Fender)
Originally Posted by naim_nymph:
Originally Posted by dpgreen:

 

She has my eternal thanks for liberating the Falklands from a repressive military junta.

 

Why, do you live there?

 

99% of the UK public didn't even know where the Falklands was in 1982.

[Although many guessed it was somewhere off the west coast of Scotland!]

 

It was Thatcher [and the Tory Government‘s] fault the war started in the first place:

There were no secret’s kept from anyone that the Falkland Islands were only very lightly defended by a couple of dozen marines with nothing but rifles.

 

Despite repeated warnings from the Royal Navy [and other] intelligence the Thatcher government’s response was to keep very quiet about it whilst shouting loudly about an open planning review to remove HMS Endurance - Britain's only naval presence in the South Atlantic - that sent a signal to the Argentines that Britain was unwilling, and would soon be unable, to defend its territories and subjects on the islands.

 

In other words, it is very clear the Tory Government led by Thatcher deliberately made an invasion plan look very inviting and attractive to the Argies, and wanted and waited for it to happen.

The rest as they say is history, they trampled over the dead bodies of our good brave troops to secure a very bloody electoral win for an extremely corrupt and sadistic Tory government.

 

Thatcher was a traiter of the British people and should have done real long prison time for that.

 

Debs

 

As ever I'm afraid your propaganda is not quite aligned with the facts.

 

Endurance only ever deployed to the South Atlantic in the Summer Months, she was life expired (a previously adapted Danish vessel if I'm correct) and Callaghan's administration were going to do the same.

 

Posted on: 20 April 2013 by dpgreen
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
Originally Posted by dpgreen:

She has my eternal thanks for liberating the Falklands from a repressive military junta.

And she has the eternal thanks of Chileans for her support to her close friend Pinochet. Oh, the irony....

I glad you can see the irony.

However does "your" irony apply to the liberation of British people from a military dictatorship or are you a modern day Mrs Jellybe.


 

Posted on: 20 April 2013 by dpgreen
Originally Posted by naim_nymph:
Originally Posted by dpgreen:

 

She has my eternal thanks for liberating the Falklands from a repressive military junta.

 

Why, do you live there?

 

99% of the UK public didn't even know where the Falklands was in 1982.

[Although many guessed it was somewhere off the west coast of Scotland!]

 

It was Thatcher [and the Tory Government‘s] fault the war started in the first place:

There were no secret’s kept from anyone that the Falkland Islands were only very lightly defended by a couple of dozen marines with nothing but rifles.

 

Despite repeated warnings from the Royal Navy [and other] intelligence the Thatcher government’s response was to keep very quiet about it whilst shouting loudly about an open planning review to remove HMS Endurance - Britain's only naval presence in the South Atlantic - that sent a signal to the Argentines that Britain was unwilling, and would soon be unable, to defend its territories and subjects on the islands.

 

In other words, it is very clear the Tory Government led by Thatcher deliberately made an invasion plan look very inviting and attractive to the Argies, and wanted and waited for it to happen.

The rest as they say is history, they trampled over the dead bodies of our good brave troops to secure a very bloody electoral win for an extremely corrupt and sadistic Tory government.

 

Thatcher was a traiter of the British people and should have done real long prison time for that.

 

Debs

"99% of the UK public didn't even know where the Falklands was in 1982."

What's that got to do with the price of potatoes? I don't know where 99% of villages are in England, do you?

I suggest you study:

http://www.royal.gov.uk/monarc...s%20territories.aspx 

And learn about our loyalty to the homeland & reciprocate that loyalty.

 

"The rest as they say is history, they trampled over the dead bodies of our good brave troops to secure a very bloody electoral win for an extremely corrupt and sadistic Tory government".

Spoken like a person that has never served in the Armed Forces or cares for British peoples security.

 

 

 

The rest of your post has also been dealt with elsewhere.

Posted on: 20 April 2013 by dpgreen
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
Originally Posted by dpgreen:

The outrageous selling off of council houses, enabling the working class to become property owners instead of paying many times the amount in rent.

Thus avoiding a poverty stricken retirement, passing on the home to their children & maintaining the traditional neighbourhood.

 

Luckily we have some "working class heroes":

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...t-to-buy-scheme.html

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n...ax-avoidance-scheme/

 

Hmm. Two links to the Torygraph  

Absolutely stunning, you're a genius.

You managed to transpose the letters "ele" with "ory" thus proving you intelligence & evading the truth. Respect!

Posted on: 21 April 2013 by Wugged Woy
Originally Posted by dpgreen:
Originally Posted by Wugged Woy:
Originally Posted by dpgreen:

The outrageous selling off of council houses, enabling the working class to become property owners instead of paying many times the amount in rent.

Thus avoiding a poverty stricken retirement, passing on the home to their children & maintaining the traditional neighbourhood.

 

Luckily we have some "working class heroes":

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...t-to-buy-scheme.html

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n...ax-avoidance-scheme/

 

Hmm. Two links to the Torygraph  

Absolutely stunning, you're a genius.

You managed to transpose the letters "ele" with "ory" thus proving you intelligence & evading the truth. Respect!


You've bitched about this statement once already.  Yawn.

Posted on: 21 April 2013 by Wugged Woy
Originally Posted by dpgreen:

 

"The rest as they say is history, they trampled over the dead bodies of our good brave troops to secure a very bloody electoral win for an extremely corrupt and sadistic Tory government".

 

Spoken like a person that has never served in the Armed Forces or cares for British peoples security.

 

 

What has Debs quote got to do with serving in the Armed Forces ?? She is just stating what happened.  It's irrelevant what position you held in society.

 

I'm sure we all here are extremely patriotic to our country, and when the Argies tried to take a piece of our homeland, we were right to go and get it back. The point of Debs quote above is to point out  the reason why we lost the Falklands and had to take action - all for the sake of an Election win (allegedly ).

 

Please don't assume that non-sevicemen, anti- Thatcher people, are not deeply patriotic and don't love and want to protect this country - it is a wrong assumption, and actually quite rude.

Posted on: 21 April 2013 by Sniper

The Sunday Times Rich List is 25 years old today. When it was first published HM the Queen was no.1 on the list and now she is not in the top 200. Is this a result of Thatcherism?