Charlie's Streaming Adventure

Posted by: CharlieP on 25 May 2013

In a long post, my thoughts and experiences as a newcomer to Naim UPnP streaming.  I share my experiences for whatever good they may be for others.  Perhaps some of you can enlighten me with your experience.  Perhaps Naim are listening, and will be (no doubt) improving their products and software.  This may be a difficult "conversation" due to my USA Pacific Northwest time zone, but here goes.

 

A Streaming Experiment

 

I was an early adopter of using a computer in my music system, starting with a squeezebox, and evolved to using a Macbook with iTunes to a DAC and into my Naim system.  The quality of my digital replay from files (ripped uncompressed from CD using dBPoweramp or XLD) soon surpassed my CDX + XPS, which I sold.  Until recently, my system consisted of 2008 MacBook, USB disk, iTunes, Audirvana + or Pure Music, TC Electronics Firewire interface, DC1 coax, nDAC, XPS2, 282 + (2)HiCap, 200, CP Dynamics speakers.  After helping a friend set up his UnitiQute, and upon seeing a used one at a good price, I purchased a UnitiQute:  

 

My interest was/is in BOTH sound quality improvement, but also in user interface and in the overall musical enjoyment experience.  Frankly, I was/am prepared to compromise the tiny last measure of sound quality for improvements in the overall experience.

 

For the price I paid, this is a low risk experiment - I will either keep the UQ as a streamer (in spite of the embarrassing waste of its nice DAC and integrated amp), sell it on (though I am loath to part with it), use it as a second system in family room (party mode), or gift it to my daughter.

 

Clearly the technology for digital music replay is evolving rapidly, is still in an awkward infancy, but promises much in musical enjoyment.  I have always been comfortable with computing, so I have a high tolerance for the challenges one can face at this stage of development.  Many of these challenges can be avoided by purchasing a UnitiServe or HDX - but for me I am inclined to invest that sum of money in a NAP250 or Supercap instead (or not spend the money!).

 

First, Sound Quality

 

When I started, I used my RCA - RCA Naim DC1 cable with the BNC adaptor on the UQ.  I manually switched the cable between my UQ and Macbook setup to compare music replay.  I later bought a BNC - BNC cable for the UQ, which I clearly prefer, and I can switch sources at the nDAC.  The UQ is wired to a Netgear network switch.  I have used two different servers:  1) A WinVista PC located upstairs, with files on a second internal 1TB drive, with AssetUPnP transcoding to wav; or 2) My MacBook, located in my listening room, wired to the same Netgear switch, running AssetUPnP on the Crossover WinXP simulation, serving files from an external USB 1 TB drive.

 

On first listening, comparing the Mac->DAC vs the UQ->DAC, both sounded very good and subtly different.  The differences became more obvious on extended listening. I immediately noticed and liked an aspect of the UQ/UPnP sound that I described as "solid."  Instruments and voices were a little more "coherent" and "stable" or "unwavering" in both space and timing or texture.  This is hard to describe.  The Mac->DAC seemed less "solid" and a tiny bit more "wavering" - not fuzzy, but less "anchored."  While I liked the "solid" "coherence" of the UQ/UPnP, the Mac->DAC seemed more "alive" in the way that vinyl playback can be (perhaps not at vinyl's best).  The UQ/UPnP was solid in a very slightly mechanical way, and the Mac-DAC playback was a little more fluid and musically engaging.  My first impression was:  this is a toss up.  Both are good in different ways.

 

In the following week the (previously used) UQ warmed up, I acquired the BNC cable, and perhaps most importantly I updated the UQ firmware from 3.12 (or was it 3.13?) to 3.17.  The result was that the "solidity" of the UQ/UPnP playback lost it's tiny "mechanical" nature and became for fluid and natural.  I have trouble describing the differences, but I find I definitely prefer the sound of the UPnP streaming with the UQ.  The difference is small enough that my final decision will likely be based on convenience and software interface rather than SQ.  I think….

 

My Macbook is an early 2008 model (will not run Mointain Lion, so stuck at OSX 10.7.x), and the SPDIF output is from a firewire interface (does not support integer mode, for example), so it is possible that a new Mac Mini with optical out or with a USB Audiophila out could tip the balance in SQ.  And of course, one wonders whether an NDX would improve on the UQ as streamer - but this is not a value proposition from my point of view. To be honest, I tire a bit of chasing the last measure of sound quality - it all sounds really fine.  My friends who visit would think of me as quite crazy for needing to "improve" the sound of my music system.  I am guilty as charged.  But for now, I am quite focused on assessing the user interface for access to my music collection.

 

Software "User Experience"

 

I "grew up" on iTunes, which I personally like except: 1) i don't use it for ripping CD's; 2) it won't automatically change sample rates; 3) its playback sound quality can be improved.  Thus I must deal with third party software - this was made more challenging when iTunes 11 was released, but perhaps these other vendors will catch up soon.

 

I was enthusiastic about n-Stream from my superficial first use of it.  It seemed quite smooth, and I loved my first encounter with the Rovi All-Music data base.  After living with n-Stream for several weeks I mostly like it but have the following issues:

 

 

Given my inexperience with UPnP, I am climbing a learning curve regarding servers.  This is admittedly complicated by my preference for Mac (Hi, Patrick - hope you are doing well!)  ;0)

 

UPnP Servers

 

As I mentioned, I started with Asset on a Vista PC.  I prefer not to use this system because:  it is located upstairs; it uses a copy of my music library; and mostly because Vista is a PITA.  So I could put Win7 on it, move it, buy an NAS, etc  but for now I am trying to get by with my Macbook.  I think when AssetUPnP is finally released for Mac, this will be better.  

 

I have used Asset running in Crossover, but it has many issues - perhaps due to my older OS?  Not all of my playlists are listed (playlists created in iTunes, exported, then edited because of difference in file path in OSX vs WinXP/Crossover).  Asset is very slow to notice added new music files, and produces errors on rescanning.  Perhaps JRiver will be a solution on the Mac, but I have not yet tried that.  Given the "Must Have" features noted above, and a desire to create permanent playlists, I could go on about my server adventures, but it tires even me to go on...

 

My Current Compromise

 

My current compromise is as follows:  I run the UPnP server "Playback" on my Mac.  Playback uses my iTunes library, which I create by ripping with XLD and manage with iTunes.  As I said, my Macbook is in the listening room, so I can go to the Macbook to rate songs as favorites (1 to 5 stars), create Genius or other playlists.  I simply export the playlists from iTunes, then the server picks them up and I can select them from nStream.  

 

Since the UQ does not support automation, I have to use the 282 remote to change volume - but this is no big deal for me at this time.

 

I can change DAC inputs to select my Macbook, which I use for Pandora, YouTube, and preview listening on Amazon, HDTracks, Naim Label, etc. I sometimes just go back to playing my music with iTunes.  Also, with Airplay I can play the same music in the family room system for parties.

 

I occasionally use the iRadio on UQ, and visitors can plug their iPods into the UQ, for which we like the nStream on iPad interface (this is worth the small SQ compromise if any from plugging iPod into the DAC USB port). 

 

Playback has its limitations:  no transcode to wav for small SQ boost; no replay gain for the occasional overblown-compressed track in a playlist;  no 24 bit palyback, for small SQ boost.  Disconcertingly, Playback sometimes does not list all of my music tracks.  I haven't figured this out yet - I can use the directory/folder listing to find and play them, but this annoying.

 

I am very much enjoying my music, and I just can't see letting go of this delightful UnitQute.  But I am somewhat in limbo, waiting for Naim to add my "Must Have Features" to n-Stream, and for other developers to evolve their servers.   If this takes too long, I may give up on UPnP, but for now I persevere.

Posted on: 26 May 2013 by glevethan

Have you tried Minimserver on your Mac?  It is a native UpnP server which does not require Crossover.

 

gregg

Posted on: 26 May 2013 by CharlieP

i am using Playback at the moment, which is native Mac and uses itunes library.  I will look into miniserver. Thanks.

 

Charlie

Posted on: 26 May 2013 by NickSeattle

Hi, Charlie,

 

Nice post.  Thank you for the effort.

 

Our streaming experiences are similar, as are our aims.

 

I too am considering adding a UQ to my system in any of a number of possible ways.  

 

At different times, I have demoed the NDX and NDS using Playback and MinimServer.  Both servers are good, but MinimServer's effect on the nStream interface is slightly better, IIRC.  Of possible interest to you is that I found transcoding from AIFF to WAV24 sounded thinner than AIFF straight.  

 

Like you, I did not find either of these excellent Naim players made me hate the Mac Mini into the Naim DAC/555DR -- rather, I was delighted how well the Mac does.

 

I think the total system integration/automation provided by the Naim streamers is compelling -- hard to resist, actually.  And the many unique features of the UQ make it a very flexible and appealing bit of kit, too.  Each option has clear merits.

 

Please keep us posted.

 

Regards,

 

Nick

Posted on: 27 May 2013 by engjoo

I have a few friends who started using PC -> async USB DAC -> Amp many years back. They were, to me early adopters of high res audio streaming. 

 

For me, having to power up and operate playback from a PC is an absolute no no. This means the solution has to be upnp based in which the streamer should have an interface to browse your music library.

Posted on: 28 May 2013 by CharlieP

Engjoo,

Not everyone wants to wrestle with a computer and software. that is surely why Naim introduced he HDD and UnityServe.  These are computers inside, of course, but single pupose and Naim have worked to make them easy for the user.  As many have found, one can achieve approximately similar sound quality with the computer into DAC, and for less money, but with some effort and consternation.

 

Charlie

Posted on: 30 May 2013 by DomTomLondon

Hi Carlie, thanks for the post, it's great to hear about your journey through the streaming universe. And to have somewhat similar views and issue with your system as I have had.

 
About 4 years ago I got into Hifi, with a budget system comprising of a Marantz PM6004 amp, a CA dacmagic USB DAC and a pair of Kef iQ10 speakers. I was listening to mostly MP3 files at 320kb from iTunes on my iMac. The system sounded quite good, but I knew I could do much better.
 
Then I managed to get a hold of the Logitech Transporter streamer (no longer needed) and I installed the squeezebox server on my Mac. The transporter with its DAC was a big improvement as was ripping all my music in ALAC with XLD.  I also loved using iPeng on my iPhone and iPad to control it all. However I didn't like having to have the iMac always on for music. So I picked up a cheap Buffalo NAS drive and installed the squeezebox sever on it.
 
After some time I again decided to upgrade my system and the Amp was the next on the list, I sold the Marantz and used a friends Linn power amp + music first pre amp. As I shopped around for a new amp, the UnitiQute grabbed my attention. I liked the small form factor, the clean design and the all-in-one solution. I managed to sell the Transporter, and found an ex-demo UQ. It had the old firmware on it, so I borrowed a Windows laptop from work and did the upgrade to the latest version. Recently I also replaced the old Kef speakers with the new R100s. And upgraded the NAS with a new 2 bay one from Synology. All my music is now in FLAC. (As my UQ model does not play ALAC or AIFF files) I love streaming my music and browsing through my albums with the n-stream app.
 
I've also recently had a chance to test out the NAP100 with the UQ, and found it quite good, it added extra weight to the music, with slightly better soundstage. I might eventually get it, when the funds allow. For now though, I'm enjoying my music though the UQ and am very happy with it. Internet radio, especially Radio Paradise is excellent, lossless CD rips sound great, and most 24/96 albums sound amazing.
 
I still use a MBA with Audirvana software when I want to listen to music through my Grado RS225 headphones which are attached to a ProJect headphone amp and Audiolab CD8200 USB DAC in my bedroom.
 
Best. Dom
Posted on: 30 May 2013 by CharlieP

Hi, Dom.

Yes the UQ plays music in a way that is simply fun.  While I like my 282/200, the UQ sounds very nice by itself.  

 

I just recently bought a dealer demo UQ 24/192 for my daughter, who is in her first apartment (flat).  She feeds it via iTunes on her Macbook, to an airport express, then optical into the UQ; and sometimes from an iPod.  When we can find the time, I will set her up with playback or minim server to see how she likes that.  She is a social sciences major, and low interest in HiFi technology.  Music is essential in her life, but the equipment is not.  Still, she appreciates the music as the UQ makes it, and she is a happy camper.

 

Charlie