Android interface

Posted by: True Blue on 20 June 2013

C'mon naim I (and Im sure many others) are STILL awaiting release of NServe and Nstream apps for Android.  Its the only thing holding me back from Naim streaming.

Posted on: 20 June 2013 by hungryhalibut

When I bought my SuperUniti, I also bought an iPad to control it. Is that not an option?

Posted on: 20 June 2013 by True Blue

Perhaps if it was free with the purchase yes but I already own samsung phone and tablet.

Posted on: 20 June 2013 by Bart

I feel for all of those who have invested money and emotion in Android vs. iOS and their disappointment that Naim do not support Android at this time.  But an iPod Touch is $229.  If an "extra" $229 is keeping you from enjoying a $3500 ND5XS, or a $5300 NDX (add in power supplies, etc., at will), I suggest it's emotion and not pure economics.

 

But emotions around Android vs. Apple run strong; I understand that. 

Posted on: 20 June 2013 by Bananahead

I believe that the correct argument is:-

 

If a company is selling hardware for $3500 then shouldn't they be supplying control software for a number of platforms?

 

 

Posted on: 20 June 2013 by Jon Myles

Surely people know there's no Android app available for Naim at present when they look to buy?

So it's your own choice.

As I've said before - programming an Android app that works on ALL available phones running the various shades of the software is inherently a little more involved than for iOS.

And that doesn't mean one is better than the other (just so we don't reignite that debate!)

Posted on: 20 June 2013 by ragman
Originally Posted by Bart:

I feel for all of those who have invested money and emotion in Android vs. iOS and their disappointment that Naim do not support Android at this time.  But an iPod Touch is $229.  If an "extra" $229 is keeping you from enjoying a $3500 ND5XS, or a $5300 NDX (add in power supplies, etc., at will), I suggest it's emotion and not pure economics.

 

But emotions around Android vs. Apple run strong; I understand that. 

Appart from the point "do I accept an additional tablet in my house" I'm sure your dealer will be willing to help if the only thing between you and the NDX is a $300 peace of hardware.

Posted on: 21 June 2013 by aht

I agree, the new 16 GB iPod Touch at $229 is cheaper than almost any Naim cable or accessory.  Just think of it as a dumb remote control.  Heck, Naim sells a remote that costs over $800!

Posted on: 21 June 2013 by Pev

An iPod Touch is not a tablet and is nowhere near as good as any tablet purely on form factor grounds (I own an iPod touch and tried it but it was crap as a remote). Also Apple stuff costs way more outside the USA (an iPad cost 3 times as much as my Android tablet and is less capable in some important ways).

Best option for Android people is Bubbleupnp until Naim get their act together. 

Posted on: 21 June 2013 by True Blue

Thanks for the responses.  I do understand it must be difficult to programme for all platforms but others have managed it with (I would suggest) with less resources than NAIM.

 

Yes for me its an emotional thing.  I do not like APPLE products end of.

 

Ps for all those that say its "just an extra few $" why would I want to duplicate and perhaps some of us have saved for a considerable amount of time that perhaps a few hundred $ is too much.

 

 

Posted on: 21 June 2013 by True Blue

Perhaps as some say perhaps I need to look away from NAIM, I would rather not as I love the sound but they are missing a HUGE market.

 

 

Posted on: 21 June 2013 by ragman
Originally Posted by True Blue:

Perhaps as some say perhaps I need to look away from NAIM, I would rather not as I love the sound but they are missing a HUGE market.

 

 

And you love ends due to android or iOs?

Posted on: 21 June 2013 by True Blue

No but I object to having to pay for another tablet. Perhaps I should look ex dem and use the savings towards an ios device. Would rather not though

Posted on: 21 June 2013 by Pev
Originally Posted by True Blue:

No but I object to having to pay for another tablet. Perhaps I should look ex dem and use the savings towards an ios device. Would rather not though

Before you go over to the fruity side at least try the Android options - Bubble is great but there are others and they all have free trial versions. It is a pain and it is rather pathetic of Naim but there's no point in cutting off your nose to spite your face - music sounds just as good through any control point but it wouldn't through a non Naim system!

Posted on: 21 June 2013 by pixies

I am in a similar position having ‘gone android’ for most things, however I have yet to find a control app as good as n-stream to control my ND5XS. (Don’t get volume control for Naim pre/power amps with Bubble!). So I see aht’s point.

 

Perhaps I will delay that next powerline purchase and replace my now defunct old iPod Touch.

And if you are thinking £199 for new iPod Touch, well for another £70 you can get an ipad Mini.... decisions, decisions!

Posted on: 21 June 2013 by trickydickie

Pixes (and True Blue) - If you are patient, an iPad Mini (16gb) goes for £229 on the Apple Refurbished store.  The come and go so you need to check regularly.

The Mini makes an excellent remote, much better than a touch, and arguably nicer than a regular iPad as it is lighter. Of course the Nexus 7 also would make an excellent remote and it is cheaper.
We have iPads (large and small), Android tablets (also large and small!) and a Windows 8 tablet.  It would be nice if nStream were available on all 3.


I find myself using the iPad mainly, this is due to the availability of nStream only on the Apple device so I don't chop and change. If I had a choice I would probably use the Windows tablet followed by one of the Androids.

 

True Blue - Why don't you consider an iPad Mini.  I know how you feel about Apple, but maybe it's time to swallow your pride as we all know that the Naim streamers are excellent.  In time if an Android version of nStream is released the Mini will sell well and you won't lose much and you will have had the enjoyment of the streamer for longer.  the iOS Sonos controller is the same as the Android one so if you retain Sonos for Spotify etc then you can still have one controller that controls both.

 

Richard

Posted on: 21 June 2013 by Pev
Originally Posted by pixies:

(Don’t get volume control for Naim pre/power amps with Bubble!). So I see aht’s point.

 

Bubble does control volume on the Uniti range - at least on the Uniti and the Superuniti - also can seek within a track

Posted on: 21 June 2013 by gert

Yes, BubbleUPnP can control the volume of my uniti 1, too. Either by an slider on the "Now Playing" screen, the hardware volume buttons of the android device, or via two buttons that are displayed in the notification bar after dragging the BubbleUPnP notification bar entry to two rows in size (requires Android 4.x, I think)

 

But it cannot seek within a track!? Which firmware are you running on the uniti? Mine is 3.16. I thought this is the feature of the next 3.21 firmware?!

Posted on: 21 June 2013 by robert-

Android is not cool enough for naim

Posted on: 23 June 2013 by MartinCA

Couldn't you just use the web interface on the Android device?  That's what I use whenever I am on my pc rather than the full app. It' s less cosmetic than the iOS App but its functional. There's a touch screen version.

 

ps Love the avatar. North-stander, myself. 

Posted on: 23 June 2013 by gert

MartinCA, which device are you using by its web interface? My naim uniti does not have such an interface. If opened in a web browser only a simple status page is displayed.

Posted on: 23 June 2013 by ragman

As a matter of fact Android Smartphones have become the number one in the market if the last datas are right.

So Naim should think about this majority

Posted on: 23 June 2013 by osprey
One problem with Android development is that only one third of the users are using the latest OS version (compared to up to 90% of iOS users). This makes the task a bit challenging (if the target is that all Android users can have a smoothly operating app).
Posted on: 24 June 2013 by BigH47

Interesting article on IOS vs Android  http://techland.time.com/2013/04/16/ios-vs-android/

 

Seems to some doubt about the accuracy though, if indeed accurate data can be found.

Posted on: 24 June 2013 by ragman
Originally Posted by osprey:
One problem with Android development is that only one third of the users are using the latest OS version (compared to up to 90% of iOS users). This makes the task a bit challenging (if the target is that all Android users can have a smoothly operating app).

Why?

If you create an app it is for an OS version or higher.

If the user doesn't use this version he can not us the app.

So, nothing different to the situation last 30 years.

Posted on: 24 June 2013 by osprey
Let's make an example — if the Android market share is 54% and 1/3 is using the latest version and the app is made (supported) for that there is 18 happy customers out of 100 and if iOS share is 40% with 90% using the latest release that is 36 happy fellows (i.e. double). In ideal situation of course you want to serve both but if resources are limited you have to choose. By the way I am part of that 10% of old iOS users and due to that I can not load the latest n-Stream app which is needed in order to use the latest firmware. And although I understand that it depends on my own choices I still feel a bit disappointed (even more so when the the new version is finally available) and I assume that could happen also to users of older Android versions.