What else is happening out there?

Posted by: Nathaniel on 06 February 2011

Can anyone recommend any recent releases of music outside the western tradition that keeps you coming back for more?
Posted on: 06 February 2011 by fred simon
Here are three albums of music outside the western tradition, though not necessarily recent releases, which keep me coming back for more ... I give these albums my highest recommendation.


Raga Rasa: That Which Colors the Mind - Kartik Seshadr





Soro - Salif Keita





Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares

Posted on: 06 February 2011 by winkyincanada
Anouar Brahem is a little outside of "western" tradition. But comfortably close.
Posted on: 06 February 2011 by Flettster


Try this. IMO it's ruddy marvellous.

Cheers
Flettster
Posted on: 07 February 2011 by Nick Lees
Try Sussan Deyhim, an Iranian-born singer with a haunting voice.

Madman Of God is a superb album of Iranian Devotional Love Songs (believe me it sounds better than my description) made in a traditional style

Shy Angels is Madman Of God recontructed by Bill Laswell and is equally good and rendered in a very different and modern way. They complement each other beautifully.


This link is to the (legal) Grooveshark streaming site which has songs from both albums, which should allow you to

http://listen.grooveshark.com/...ng?q=sussan%20deyhim
Posted on: 07 February 2011 by Nick Lees
A second vote for Fred's Kartik Seshadri album, though in sheer lyricism, Nikhil Banerjee is much better to my ears.There are thankfully quite a few wonderful live recordings available of Banerjee but this is perhaps my favourite:

Raga Surdasi Mulhar




THis is a Youtube link to a section of the above album



Posted on: 07 February 2011 by Nick Lees
Anything by Cheb I Sabbah is great - a mix of Indian and North African music treated with a mixture ranging between almost pure reverence and dance-style remixes.

This Youtube clip of Kese Kese is from the Sri Durga album.








This one of Alkher Illa Doffor is from the La Kahena album

 



Posted on: 07 February 2011 by Nick Lees
Nathaniel - was this the sort of thing you were after?

If not, give us a further idea. If they were, then, trust me I can drone on for hours about Indian Classical, Asian Underground and several points east...
Posted on: 07 February 2011 by Nathaniel
Thanks for all the suggestions so far--most are new to me.

Gary, I was purposely vague. I've been listening to 'world' music for many years, but I've got a little lazy and for a few years have only bought things of which I have some preconception, and as a result have become a little trapped. I'm not good at sampling things on Spotify and the likes, as I don't trust my initial reactions: many discs that I grow to love I was indifferent to on first listening. It's only when I (financially!) invest in music that I force myself to give it repeated listens, and thereby separate my wheat from chaff.

So I'm still being a bit lazy: I'm chasing other people's 'wheat'. I'm particularly interested in music which people enjoy for reasons other than (just) surface exoticism/beauty (I've certainly been guilty of indulging in exoticism). While running the risk of imposing metrics borne from western traditions upon those from elsewhere, I'm particularly interested in music with something of the structural complexities typically associated with classical.

But as to the 'sound', anything goes: vocal/instrumental/weiro-computer-zaniness, solo/ensemble.

Sod it: if you like it just 'cos it sounds gorgeous, I want to know!
Posted on: 07 February 2011 by Nick Lees
Well... I'd put this as near the top of my structural-complexities-with-beautiful-music tree. It keeps growing and giving, but had the wow factor (for me anyway) straight from the beginning.

I love Indian Classical, and jugalbandi (duetting) is just amazing. On Samwad, Purbayan Chatterjee (sitar) & Kala Ramnath (violin) weave in out out of each other and twist about like a stream running under a bridge. The instruments complement each other perfectly too.



This link takes you to Music India Online.

The whole of the Samwad album is there. I'd start with the compressed raga Bageshri, which will tell you what you're in for, then if you like that try the three movements of raga Kedar, which takes you from the lovely alap (sounds like tuning up at first) and into the faster two compositional sections where they truly smoulder in a way that many guitar rock bands would die for.
Posted on: 07 February 2011 by fred simon
Hi Gary,

I checked out a bit of the Banerjee and enjoyed it, but there's something about the Seshadri that really gets to me. I'm sure you know a lot more about Indian classical than I do, so I'm not sure I can explain what it is, but I'll try.

Seshadri's tone seems much fatter and warmer than that of Banerjee, and of almost any other sitarist I've heard, for that matter. Makes the sound and music more funky to me, closer to the sound of Delta blues slide guitar. Most other sitar sounds somewhat twee by comparison ... Seshadri's sitar sounds a little closer to the vina.

The other thing is that Seshadri's playing actually sounds more lyrical and melodic to me than almost anyone else's ... I mean melodic in a tuneful/songlike way, rather than lots of virtuoso improvisation, which he's certainly capable of. For an example of what I mean, check out this excerpt on Amazon, third track, Raga Jog - Gat In Rupak Tala:

http://tinyurl.com/6awg4co

I get strong whiffs of melodic, funky blues, plus that very cool unison ensemble syncopation toward the end of the excerpt kills me every time.

I also enjoyed the excerpts of Samwad; will have to investigate further.

Best,
Fred
Posted on: 07 February 2011 by Bruce Woodhouse
I used to buy lots of World music, particularly African and Asian and mainly introduced by Peter Gabriel's RealWorld label but have been less interested lately and struggled to add new music that has really engaged me.

'Afrocubism' is fairly unthreatening mainstream world music but still pretty good, Mali meets Buena Vista Social Club. It has some of the feel of the classic 'Talking Timbuktu'.

I note your interest in 'music with some of the structural complexities typically associated with classical music' and therefore here are two old RealWorld discs from my collection that you may enjoy. The first is by an artist that everybody should try out at some point; Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan was IMHO a musical genius. Musst Musst perhaps the best but some of the more traditional works can still get me inspired. The second is a beautiful Raga called 'Sampradaya' played on lovely shimmering hammerred dulcimers that explodes into quite a climax by Pandit Shiv Kumar. Enjoy.

Bruce

(PS Try Sterns Muisc website for great stock and also low quality samples to try, not just African music either)



Posted on: 08 February 2011 by Nick Lees
Fred Simon said:



"Hi Gary,

I checked out a bit of the Banerjee and enjoyed it, but there's something about the Seshadri that really gets to me. I'm sure you know a lot more about Indian classical than I do, so I'm not sure I can explain what it is, but I'll try.

Seshadri's tone seems much fatter and warmer than that of Banerjee, and of almost any other sitarist I've heard, for that matter. Makes the sound and music more funky to me, closer to the sound of Delta blues slide guitar. Most other sitar sounds somewhat twee by comparison ... Seshadri's sitar sounds a little closer to the vina.

The other thing is that Seshadri's playing actually sounds more lyrical and melodic to me than almost anyone else's ... I mean melodic in a tuneful/songlike way, rather than lots of virtuoso improvisation, which he's certainly capable of. For an example of what I mean, check out this excerpt on Amazon, third track, Raga Jog - Gat In Rupak Tala:

http://tinyurl.com/6awg4co

I get strong whiffs of melodic, funky blues, plus that very cool unison ensemble syncopation toward the end of the excerpt kills me every time.

I also enjoyed the excerpts of Samwad; will have to investigate further.

Best,

Fred"

I totally agree with you on Seshadri's playing, it's quite rock and roll and why it makes such a good recommendation for newcomers. I love the album. Where Banerjee scores for me is in subtlety, particularly in the introductiory alaps where the tone of the whole raga is set.

I only know enough about Indian Classical to know just how much I don't know, but I've hot past the stage where I listen to the notes and now listen to the thing as a whole. I know that might sound horribly pompous but there's a development intended in every raga that starts with the exploration of each individual note in the raga (the alap) before gradually bringing those notes together until the player is ready to start improvising an appropriate composition round those notes.

I've gone from wishing the alaps were over (sounded too much like tuning up) to enjoying them as much if not more than the compositional parts. There's a particularly wonderful CD by VIlayat Khan (Raga Bhairavi) that is purely sitar-only, with 36 minutes of alap followed by a Jor (rhythmic unaccompanied sitar) for another 23, but the king for me is Bamerjee's Purbani Kajlyan, 100 minutes of raga recorded lived at Berkely with an utterly spellbinding 47 minute alap.

5 or 6 years ago I'd never have had the patience to enjoy these as much as I do, but every listen brings something new out.
Posted on: 08 February 2011 by Nick Lees
Hi Bruce,

Buying CDs by Shiv Kumar Sharma can be tricky, as he's has a bit of a tendency to make hybrid Westernised music, that usually just sounds like cheese. But when he points in the right direction he's amazing.



This album is one such occasion. Recorded live with Zakir Hussain on tabla it's an astonishing virtuosic tour-de-force - just when you thing his mallets must fly apart he ups the pace once again, without even losing the melodic content. One minor warning - during the alap there's a child in the audience clearly dying from consumption, but some kind person removes him after a while...

This is a Spotify link to a part of that Raga Rageshri, though from  a different, slightly less electric performance

And this is the best place to buy it
Posted on: 08 February 2011 by Bruce Woodhouse
Thanks Gary. Great stuff.

Bruce
Posted on: 07 March 2013 by osprey

This older thread seems very interesting. Would anyone care to share their recent experience of any new releases (or old favourites/hidden gems that has not been mentioned already for that matter)? 

Posted on: 07 March 2013 by Steve J

This one isn't recent and it is East meets West but it is a beautiful album, especially on 45rpm vinyl.

 

 

Steve

Posted on: 07 March 2013 by Kevin-W

The mighty (and sadly late) Fela Kuti, a bona fide third world superstar and a thorn in the side of the Nigerian government in the 1970s and 80s. Some awesome music to be found on these albums:

 

 

 

Posted on: 07 March 2013 by Kevin-W

Posted on: 07 March 2013 by Kevin-W

Music from Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and, most especially Uzbekistan), is fantastic. This is a goodie I picked up in France(!) some years ago:

 

Posted on: 07 March 2013 by Kevin-W

Mongolian music, especially that played on the horse-head fiddle is also really interesting.

 

Posted on: 07 March 2013 by Kevin-W

Javanese Gamelan music, which was a huge influence on Western music, beginning with Debussy and running through to Steve Reich:

 

 

 

Posted on: 07 March 2013 by TWP

from Zimbabwe The Bhundu Boys , Shed sessions .. possibly some of the finest guitar playing i have ever heard .

This was heavily endorsed and played  by John Peel , I have Peely to thank for opening my ears to more than just "white boy indie guitar" bands in the eightes.

 

this is very simular to the Bhundu Boys and is again briliant melodic guitar playing.

 

and if you fancy some Ukranian folk , try this by the Wedding Present , John Peel session very energetic album ( you can probably tell i spent a lot of time listening to John Peel ) Davni Chasy on you tube is  a good starter

 

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for a more traditional Ukranian feel,, the Ukranians formed after the Peel session and  still touring occasioanlly , a reccomended live experience

 

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non are recent but well worth a listen !

 

Posted on: 11 March 2013 by osprey

Here is something from these part of the world which might be interesting for some of you (this is the newest but the whole back catalogue is worth of listening)

 

Värttinä, Utu (Rockadillo Records, 2012)

 

... and a small sample

 

"Manattu (Conjured By a Seer)"

 

 

New York's Newsday described their music as “A gale-force musical attack... beautifully poignant tunes... exotic but accessible, complex but exciting” and from Billboard magazine: “Exquisite beauty... groundbreaking yet steeped in tradition, definitely Finnish, yet worldly.”

Posted on: 21 March 2013 by dis

Great thread, this one. Lots of good tips.

And if you want  a variety of live music outside the western tradition, go to Womad.

Spent the weekend at Womad, New Plymouth  New Zealand.

Brilliant !!!

African (3 Types), Indian, Colombian, middle Eastern, Cajun, Scottish folk, Jimmy Cliff, great NZ and Aussie, cut n paste DJs and more....

Posted on: 21 March 2013 by Jan-Erik Nordoen

Mercan Dede : Breath.

 

Otherworldly.