Queen of the Night: Your favourite?

Posted by: kuma on 27 August 2013

 

Mrs. XXX FTW!

Posted on: 28 August 2013 by Richard Dane

Brilliant.  I'm sure some heavy post-production will straighten things out for Mrs XXXX. If it worked for Kim Wilde...

 

FWIW, I thought Erika Miklosa was sensational.

Posted on: 28 August 2013 by Jay Coleman
The one I heard live at the Vienna State Opera in 2003 in part because she looked the part. I can't remember her name.
Posted on: 28 August 2013 by Jay Coleman
The one I heard live at the Vienna State Opera in 2003 in part because she looked the part. I can't remember her name.
Posted on: 28 August 2013 by kuma

Richard,

Who needs an auto tune when you've got the confidence and sheer determination.

Remember Florence Foster Jenkins? (She sold out the tickets at the Carnegie.)


According to Wikipedia she was known for her lack of rhythm, pitch, and tone; her aberrant pronunciation; and her generally poor singing ability.

I think she belongs in the 'it's-so-bad,-it's-great' category.

I agree that miklosa is lovely but I like the laser pitch of Diana Damrau and her Cruella like costume and make up.

Posted on: 28 August 2013 by Kevin-W

Kuma, Have you heard Leona Anderson?

 

This is one of her most famous numbers:

 

Rats In My Room
 

 

Posted on: 29 August 2013 by kuma

Kevin,

 

the difference is that both Jenkins or Mrs. XXX were both serious!

Posted on: 29 August 2013 by tonym
Originally Posted by kuma:

Richard,

Who needs an auto tune when you've got the confidence and sheer determination.

Remember Florence Foster Jenkins? (She sold out the tickets at the Carnegie.)


According to Wikipedia she was known for her lack of rhythm, pitch, and tone; her aberrant pronunciation; and her generally poor singing ability.

I think she belongs in the 'it's-so-bad,-it's-great' category.

I agree that miklosa is lovely but I like the laser pitch of Diana Damrau and her Cruella like costume and make up.

Many thanks for posting this Kuma. I can feel myself welling up...

Posted on: 29 August 2013 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by kuma:

Kevin,

 

the difference is that both Jenkins or Mrs. XXX were both serious!

I'm not sure that Leona wasn't!

 

Have you heard Madame St Onge? Her rather, er, relaxed, attitude to the niceties of pitch, tempo and the like make for some truly horrible listening.

 

Try this

 

Posted on: 29 August 2013 by Phage

I like this version (Diana Damrau):

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzFi-7H9TKs

Posted on: 05 September 2013 by graham55

The late Lucia Popp (for Klemperer/EMI) may have been the best in recent years.

Posted on: 08 September 2013 by PureReader
Although a great fan of Mozart  (I think his music is no less than divine), once I found interest in opera music I had little time to get into the subject deeper and to this day have not listened enough to his opera works.   But of course everyone knows Queen of the Night Aria. And I'm thankful for that compilation. I can't select a favourite. I'd need to hear the excerpts in their greater context - at least the full aria -  to understand how the expression in the execution relates to the singers understanding of the music and character. Wow. Xxxx is listenable once, and never again. Too much pain.
Im somewhat surprised that most of them intonate at least one or two of the high staccato notes wrongly - at least to my ears. But I suppose that's one of the main difficulties. Also the synchronization between orchestra and soprano is not always successful, an example being during the first 8 staccato C's of Gruberova's rendition. I think its quite obviously the fault of the conductor who wasn't following Gruberova's flexible singing leading up to the staccatos. After those first 8 all is dead on though. She's definitely one of my favourites, I especially like the expression either side of the staccatos and the  natural integration of those staccatos. Here's an early interpretation by 24 year old Gruberova with piano accompaniment. I could be wrong, but to me it sounds  as if she was concentrating mainly on getting her technique spot on during the difficult parts, which was probably the right thing to do at that young age. Once the technique is fully mastered, spontaneity and musicality can take over. So in her later interpretation in your compilation the staccatos fit in seamlessly in a natural way.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hhoFfNS36yA

Here a year earlier with orchestra, from about 1:00 into the video, but please also listen to the first song, sung when she was 19 - really beautiful singing .  :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ALHjHTPAAto
Posted on: 08 September 2013 by PureReader
P.S. The not so perfect synchronization between orchestra and Gruberova occurs the second time round of the 8 staccato C's, not the first time.
Posted on: 08 September 2013 by kuma

PureReader,

 

I have notited the synchro problem with Gruberova segment but I found her voice too thin for my taste and her delivery is a tad hurried.

 

My first exposure to the Queen of the Night Aria was from the Milos Forman's Amadeus sung by June Anderson. Wolfy's evil nagging mother-in-law turns into the Queen of the Night.

 

Posted on: 08 September 2013 by EJS

 

Edda Moser.

 

Posted on: 09 September 2013 by kuma

EJ,

 

She's got a beautiful voice which is well extended and articulate.

 

Perhaps too pretty for the Queen of the Night!?

 

I'll keep my eyes open for her vinyl, tho.

Posted on: 09 September 2013 by EJS
Originally Posted by kuma:

EJ,

 

She's got a beautiful voice which is well extended and articulate.

 

Perhaps too pretty for the Queen of the Night!?

 

I'll keep my eyes open for her vinyl, tho.

Kuma, don't forget the context: Pamino actually believes she is a good queen, before Sarastro informs him otherwise. In the 18th century, 'night' wasn't a sign for bad, but the fact that the queen is a woman should have had us doubting her from the start, as Sarastro implies. The plot is a mess to be honest, by far the most inconsistent that Mozart ever penned music to.

 

Anyway, Moser was a dramatic coloratura - far from the whistle sopranos that normally tackle the role. Look for her complete studio recording with Sawallish, also from early 70s - it is magnificent.

 

Cheers,

EJ

 

 

Posted on: 09 September 2013 by kuma

EJ,

 

What is *coloratura*?

Different from Contralto?

 

I think the impression of the Queen of the Night has been stuck from the Amadeus scene for me as an annoying evil cow.

 

btw, one of my favourite opera singer is Joan Sutherland but her Queen of the Night isn't that great. ( at least based on this YouTube clip )

Posted on: 09 September 2013 by EJS
Originally Posted by kuma:

EJ,

 

What is *coloratura*?

Different from Contralto?

 

I think the impression of the Queen of the Night has been stuck from the Amadeus scene for me as an annoying evil cow.

 

btw, one of my favourite opera singer is Joan Sutherland but her Queen of the Night isn't that great. ( at least based on this YouTube clip )

Kuma,

 

The term coloratura soprano refers to sopranos with agility and height (up to high F). Dramatic coloraturas are a sub-category, indicating a relatively heavier voice, with height and sustaining power. Moser was one (she is still alive, BTW), so was Sutherland (I don't know her Queen - she definitely would have had the height and the agility, not so sure about the diction, which was pretty clouded at the best of times). 

 

A contralto refers to the lowest female voice type, which sits between the mezzo-soprano and the male tenor - a full octave lower than a coloratura soprano. True contraltos are rarer than hen's teeth. 

 

Cheers,

 

EJ

Posted on: 09 September 2013 by kuma

Thanks EJ.

 

Coloratura=über Soprano