Anyone here hunt?

I'd be surprised if anyone fessed up to such a thing.

To describe the creature you have just described as 'beautiful' displays a lack of joined up thought processes to me. The fact that it is legal in some countries is interesting - I've heard this justified on the grounds that the fees paid are directed at conservation elsewhere, but somehow that seems unlikely in reality.

There is a photo of a family who "hunted" an elephant doing the rounds but looking further it seems there are several families pictured with the same elephant. So this pic MAY be a photoshop jobbie.

None of which makes these ****wits any less worthy of staying in the gene pool if any prove to be real pictures.

It seems that americans seem to think that their "rights" to gun ownership also gives them the right to shoot any thing that moves, along with the Maltese shooting anything that flies.

Shooting or hunting vermin eg foxes is definitely OK specially if a bit of fun can be had chasing across the fields in full cry.

After all if God wanted us to eat broccoli he would have made it fun to shoot.

I've stopped eating vermin though, give me a tame broccoli anyday

Just be aware, the tables can be turned...

These two do but, unlike humans, they don't know any better.

steve

but by buying / breeding that cat you are to blame. as without demand for cats they wouldn't be bred and therefore would not then go out and kill local wildlife. 

she used a gun, 

you used a cat.

... but she shot a cat, so is everyone happy now? It's worth remembering humans are not an 'endangered' or 'at risk' species. Tally Ho!

I'm going to be charitable and assume that was an attempt at humour; otherwise, that has got to be one of the most fallacious and half-arsed pieces of "reasoning" I've ever read on this forum. On rather shaky ground there chum.

I hunt baby seals for diner

uniti put it a little crudely, but I had similar thoughts. Choosing to keep a cat, and allowing it to hunt, places native species at risk for little benefit other than the pleasure of the owner. Doesn't seem to rate alongside shooting lions in the scheme of evil things to do, but really, there is no fundamental rights that a lion has that, say, a vole or native bird doesn't. Main difference perhaps is that a cat owner doesn't directly derive "pleasure" from their cat's hunting (likely just the opposite), and therefore isn't demonstrably insane, cowardly and cruel like a lion hunter, but at some level the outcome is just the same.

I fully endorse & agree with the anger of previous posts – the stupidity of the jokey ones,  err well the world is full of all sorts. 

I may be a little closer to the “hunting” scene in SA than most forumites as its my second home. 

The lion hunting as shown in the report are hunted in “farms” that breed animals just for this purpose.  In SA very little hunting is done with truly wild animals – more later ……..

Crazy as it sounds people pay huge sums of money to do this ………. They always advertise in US dollars – wonder why ?? - Buffalo $13500 Elephant $35000 Lion $22000 Lioness $9000 Leopard $15000.  You can even pay $9400 to hunt Hippo - FFS

But it’s not so different from the UK’s shooting estates that breed pheasant, partridge grouse etc for the same purpose.

However the BIG problem in all of Africa is not this “legalised” hunting but poaching (no difference in the cold light of day)

Rhinos have been poached to near extinction in most countries in the world from Java to Kenya.

The last great redoubt of the rhino is South Africa where aprx 22,000 live – that’s 80%-90% of the global population – the GLOBAL population.

But rhinos are not safe here either. Last month aprx 100 rhinos were poached making a total of at least 800 this year (that double the rate of 3 years ago). Right now SA is losing more rhino than the birth rate & its accelerating,  so its declining to extinction.  The shocker is that much of this is going on in the best protected areas such as Kruger National Park – not surprising as its 360km long eastern border is open to Mozambique.

Why is this happening? Its not fat cat American & European “hunters”  - its east Asians, Chinese & in particular the Vietnamese.

They believe that rhino horn (keratin, same as your fingernails) is a cure of all things & especially impotence,  its even used for a f***ing hangover cure.   

The actual killing is done by local Africans & in one case organised by vets – yes vets – animal doctors.

The middle men & the pay masters are processing in excess of $500,000,000 a year. They include syndicates based in Mozambique, terrorist groups like al Shabaab & the mega rich drug dealers & "businessmen" from the Far East. 

I was tempted to post some pictures,  but no it is not pleasant to see,  but if you want to see the carnage, just Goggle rhino poaching images

While I've never had the inclination myself, I'd be happy for others to go hunting IF those animals being hunted were equipped with the same weapons as the hunters and knew how to use them.

I suspect a level playing field would deter most from this abhorrent practice. 

MDS

yes my post was a little tongue in cheek as they are quite far apart on the scale of crimes against nature. however allowing house cats to hunt is still in my eyes the same crime just on a less abhorrent level. 

fox hunting with dogs was banned. so why not bird hunting with cats? (again, a little tongue in cheek)

One does not "allow" house cats to hunt. Cats, domesticated or feral, big or small, hunt. That is what they do. They have no choice in the matter. You can give them all the Whiskas or Go-Cat you want, but they will still hunt (unless you imprison them indoors, which is a bit cruel). Humans, however, have a choice, particularly rich ones like the moron mentioned in the original post. The exercise of choice (and moral choice especially), hopefully for the greater good, is what distinguishes us from all other animals.

Just because you're trying to be "funny" or "tongue in cheek" doesn't make your comments any the less dumb. Indeed, the fact that you keep having to point out that you're being TIC demonstrates that even you have little confidence in the veracity of your statements, or their intellectual soundness.

Hole, when, in, digging, a, stop.

An online petition to stop one woman hunter re-entering South Africa.

http://www.change.org/petition...urce=other_multiline

no, no, i understand it's in their nature. i'm not getting at cats.

you had the choice to buy the cat. a creature that you put, cannot be taught to not to ruin local wildlife.

but you could always have a house cat.

Yes Winky but the issue is not of the "rights" of voles or robins over lions (I personally don't think animals have "rights" in the way that we do, but I do think they deserve to live unmolested by us as far as is possible; cruelty of any sort is not becoming of our species).

The "outcome", as you call it, is not the same because a domestic cat is just doing what it is programmed to do. The fact that is is kept by Mrs Bloggs at No.93 Acacia Avenue is neither here nor there. However Ms Bachman does not have to go around slaughtering wild animals. The fact that she chooses to do so demonstrates a colossal lack of taste and judgement. This kind of activity may have been acceptable a century ago, but it no longer is, at least in the West.

I actually feel pity for this vulgar moron, and the fact that she has in effect become hunted herself - she is an object of ridicule and loathing who has had to shut down her website, Twitter feed and FB page - is a kind of poetic justice I suppose.

Yes, but you don't know any better PB.

However, should you tire of baby seals, you could try eating a Greater Permatanned Gun Totin' Yankee Moron (Bachmanus Bombastus Majoris). A bit scrawny, but very tasty apparently, and they are regarded in lower latitudes as a verminous pest, so we could have a few sent up to you. Are you still at the Svalbard address?

Sure one does. The choice to keep a cat as a pet is to allow it to hunt. If you think the trade-off is worth it, (cat-caused dead animals Vs cat companionship) then you'll keep a cat. If you don't think it worth it, then you won't keep a cat. Cats can't help themselves, but we get to make the choices.

Disclaimer: I don't keep a cat. One reason is the whole hunting thing.

Oh. My. God. How will she survive in the modern world without these things? The cruelty of it all. I feel not one iota of sympathy for this stupid, cowardly, cruel b!+ch.

Both Mrs Bloggs and the cowardly lion hunter have choices.