Selling Music to Buy Hi-Fi??

Posted by: Arfur Oddsocks on 17 November 2013

Following on from the 'what will happen to your vinyl' thread and with original vinyl  making good money and with a lot of recordings  available on new vinyl;-

 

 

Has anyone considered selling their 'valuable' originals and replacing them with much cheaper re-issues and spent the balance on hi -fi(or anything else for that matter) at any level?

 

I do realise that many on here would not need to do such a thing but imagine some, like myself, have to budget carefully as we try to climb the greasy pole to musical nirvana.

 

I suppose in theory it makes sense but we do get attached to our records don't we ?

 

*wanders off pondering*

 

 

Posted on: 17 November 2013 by Ebor

It's quite possible that my taste in music doesn't encompass the sort of thing that fetches enormous sums to collectors, but I'm pretty sure my entire collection would be lucky to raise a grand these days. That doesn't go far in the rarefied atmosphere we've all become accustomed to breathing!

 

I'd much rather keep the CDs than trade them in.

 

Mark

Posted on: 18 November 2013 by joerand

There is something that goes along with the "warmth" of vinyl that includes having the original.

 

I'll accept a bit more noise on my copy of an LP to know that it is the very one I went and bought back in the day with my hard-earned nickels. When I pull that original LP out to play it will transport me to times of my youth. Little else can do that these days, maybe photographs.

 

Besides, what the folks on ebay are asking is not necessarily a reflection of what folks are paying.

Posted on: 19 November 2013 by TWP

In answer to the thread title, 

 

I sold my entire vinyl collection and purchased my Naim kit . As a once serial Vinyl collector that would spend hours or any opportunity to visit a record shop or record fair in search of the unusual , rare and more often than not over priced item  it was not an easy or overnight decision.

 

 My record buying demise started once affordable CD players were available and i admit i preferd the format to use.  ( i can see the vinyl junkies eyebrows raisng ) then storage became an issue  and all vinyl were  stored in a spare room to look at occasionally ,  my record deck was moved to the loft once i had a CD version of any album.

 

Do i miss Vinyl , Only the artwork and flicking through singles.  , I have got over having to have the first test pressing or a promo copy of each Single or Album.

 

But thanks to my OCD in having to have 2 copies in case it became valuable of early My Bloody Valentine EPs , creation records and other such noise i have a great sounding HiFi .

 

TWP

 

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 19 November 2013 by Steve J

Never in a million years Arfur. My originals sound far better than the reissues. There is one exception and that is the 45rpm issues from Music Matters etc. My original collection grew exponentially in the '80s and '90s thanks to people like TWP who sold their record collections with the introduction of CD. I couldn't possibly afford to buy many of the LPs I own at todays prices. My son is in line for a nice inheritance. 

Posted on: 19 November 2013 by TWP
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Never in a million years Arfur. My originals sound far better than the reissues. There is one exception and that is the 45rpm issues from Music Matters etc. My original collection grew exponentially in the '80s and '90s thanks to people like TWP who sold their record collections with the introduction of CD. I couldn't possibly afford to buy many of the LPs I own at todays prices. My son is in line for a nice inheritance. 

Steve j ,

Glad i could help your collection 

The same is happening with secondhand CD due to computer streamed technology  , In some instances it costs more for postage buying a used CD online than the actual CD itself Which i have been taking advantage of.

 

I cant invisage selling my CD collection , Streamed music is still the work of  the devil to me.

 

Posted on: 19 November 2013 by Arfur Oddsocks
Originally Posted by TWP:
, Streamed music is still the work of  the devil to me.

 

And me, I read some of the related stuff on here and it's like a foreign language to me.

 

 

Posted on: 19 November 2013 by Steve J

We're just Luddites to a lot of people on this forum Arfur.

Posted on: 19 November 2013 by Quad 33
Originally Posted by Steve J:

We're just Luddites to a lot of people on this forum Arfur.

I still prefer the Luddites on Vinyl  

 

Graham.

Posted on: 19 November 2013 by Steve C
Originally Posted by Quad 33:
Originally Posted by Steve J:

We're just Luddites to a lot of people on this forum Arfur.

I still prefer the Luddites on Vinyl  

 

Graham.

Only in Mono

Posted on: 19 November 2013 by fatcat
Originally Posted by Steve J:

I couldn't possibly afford to buy many of the LPs I own at todays prices. My son is in line for a nice inheritance. 

His inheritance may depend on how long you survive. I suspect the majority of your prog rock records will be worth a fraction of their current value in 25 years time.

Posted on: 20 November 2013 by Quad 33
Originally Posted by fatcat:
Originally Posted by Steve J:

I couldn't possibly afford to buy many of the LPs I own at todays prices. My son is in line for a nice inheritance. 

His inheritance may depend on how long you survive. I suspect the majority of your prog rock records will be worth a fraction of their current value in 25 years time.

Does this not apply to all forms of inheritance? They may go up or down, nothing is certain in this world only death and taxes.

 

Graham

Posted on: 20 November 2013 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by Arfur Oddsocks:
Originally Posted by TWP:
, Streamed music is still the work of  the devil to me.

 

And me, I read some of the related stuff on here and it's like a foreign language to me.

 

 

+1 Arfur.

 

It's so bloody boring - a quick glance at the steaming forum shows that everyone there spends all their time faffing about with, and fretting over, their Twonky uPnP NAS streaming updated HDT Qobuz missing artwork asynchronous NServe backup DAC USBs, and hardly any time listening to music. 

 

Life's too short etc.

Posted on: 20 November 2013 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by Arfur Oddsocks:

Following on from the 'what will happen to your vinyl' thread and with original vinyl  making good money and with a lot of recordings  available on new vinyl;-

 

 

Has anyone considered selling their 'valuable' originals and replacing them with much cheaper re-issues and spent the balance on hi -fi(or anything else for that matter) at any level?

 

I do realise that many on here would not need to do such a thing but imagine some, like myself, have to budget carefully as we try to climb the greasy pole to musical nirvana.

 

I suppose in theory it makes sense but we do get attached to our records don't we ?

 

*wanders off pondering*

 

 

No, is the short answer. I'm a music fan, not a hi-fi buff.The stuff is a way to enjoy music, not the other way round.

 

The kit is much more easy to replace than the records or CDs. I would, with the possible exception of my LP12, I would far rather sell gear (and downgrade if need be) than music.

 

And as Steve said in another post on this thread, a lot of those original records, as well as being invested with a great deal of emotional attachment, usually sound better than reissue CDs, records or files.

Posted on: 21 November 2013 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:
Originally Posted by Arfur Oddsocks:
Originally Posted by TWP:
, Streamed music is still the work of  the devil to me.

 

And me, I read some of the related stuff on here and it's like a foreign language to me.

 

 

+1 Arfur.

 

It's so bloody boring - a quick glance at the steaming forum shows that everyone there spends all their time faffing about with, and fretting over, their Twonky uPnP NAS streaming updated HDT Qobuz missing artwork asynchronous NServe backup DAC USBs, and hardly any time listening to music. 

 

Life's too short etc.

Seriously? Having moved to computer-based audio (admittedly not the Twonky world of streaming)  a few years back, I spend far less time faffing with my collection, and much more time listening.

 

What, with all the record cleaning, TT adjustments, azimuths, tracking force, stylus cleaning, cartridge and arm matching, anti-skating adjustments, flipping sides, filing records, zero-stat gun usage, selecting loading plugs for phono stages, tracking down and reducing RFI, mucking about with earthing, wall-shelves, isolation platforms (remember Mana?), I wonder how vinyl people have any time left to listen to their records at all.

Posted on: 21 November 2013 by joerand
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

What, with all the record cleaning, TT adjustments, azimuths, tracking force, stylus cleaning, cartridge and arm matching, anti-skating adjustments, flipping sides, filing records, zero-stat gun usage, selecting loading plugs for phono stages, tracking down and reducing RFI, mucking about with earthing, wall-shelves, isolation platforms (remember Mana?), I wonder how vinyl people have any time left to listen to their records at all.

I had absolutely none of that Winky.

 

I bought a s/h RP6 and literally 15 minutes after I got it out of the box I was spinning vinyl that I had not played for 26 years. That was a year ago and I have not made a single adjustment to it since then. Same everything.

 

If you were to ask me about azimuths, tracking force, arm matching, zero stat guns, loading plugs, tracking down, RFI, wall shelves, isolation, grounding...... I would not have a clue. 

 

In fact, my RP6 is not grounded.

Posted on: 21 November 2013 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by joerand:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

What, with all the record cleaning, TT adjustments, azimuths, tracking force, stylus cleaning, cartridge and arm matching, anti-skating adjustments, flipping sides, filing records, zero-stat gun usage, selecting loading plugs for phono stages, tracking down and reducing RFI, mucking about with earthing, wall-shelves, isolation platforms (remember Mana?), I wonder how vinyl people have any time left to listen to their records at all.

I had absolutely none of that Winky.

 

I bought a s/h RP6 and literally 15 minutes after I got it out of the box I was spinning vinyl that I had not played for 26 years. That was a year ago and I have not made a single adjustment to it since then. Same everything.

 

If you were to ask me about azimuths, tracking force, arm matching, zero stat guns, loading plugs, tracking down, RFI, wall shelves, isolation, grounding...... I would not have a clue. 

 

In fact, my RP6 is not grounded.

Yeah, I know it doesn't have to be difficult or fussy. My tongue was firmly in my cheek. I like the look of a Rega, actually. But seriously, my Mac Mini into SuperNait is easily the most convenient replay system I have ever had. Twonky streaming holds no appeal (yet).

Posted on: 21 November 2013 by joerand

Good for you with your Mac Mini Winky,

From the vinyl side of things it seems there is an unending litany of folks on the streaming end trying to get bugs out of their systems, or worrying if they are getting the best SQ out of what they are hearing. I don't understand all the questioning there. All I know is that I hear what I bought when I plunk down a needle.

Posted on: 21 November 2013 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

Seriously? Having moved to computer-based audio (admittedly not the Twonky world of streaming)  a few years back, I spend far less time faffing with my collection, and much more time listening.

 

What, with all the record cleaning (WHERE NECESSARY), TT adjustments (NOPE), azimuths (NOPE), tracking force (NOPE), stylus cleaning WHERE NECESSARY), cartridge and arm matching (NOPE), anti-skating adjustments (NOPE), flipping sides (YES), filing records (YES BUT ONLY AT THE END OF A LISTENING SESSION), zero-stat gun usage (NOPE), selecting loading plugs for phono stages (NOPE), tracking down and reducing RFI (NOPE), mucking about with earthing (NOPE), wall-shelves (NOPE), isolation platforms (remember Mana?) (BOUGHT A SO TABLE WITH MY LP12, PLONKED THE TURNTABLE ON IT AND BARRING HOUSE MOVES, THERE IT HAS STAYED), I wonder how vinyl people have any time left to listen to their records at all.

Seriously.

 

I think you are trying to create problems where there are none, you naughty Winky you. Most people who like vinyl also see the whole "putting a record on/turning it over" thing as part of the enjoyable ritual of listening to music. The other "issues" you highlight really only apply to the terminally anal or unreconstructed kit-fiddlers.

Posted on: 21 November 2013 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

Seriously? Having moved to computer-based audio (admittedly not the Twonky world of streaming)  a few years back, I spend far less time faffing with my collection, and much more time listening.

 

What, with all the record cleaning (WHERE NECESSARY), TT adjustments (NOPE), azimuths (NOPE), tracking force (NOPE), stylus cleaning WHERE NECESSARY), cartridge and arm matching (NOPE), anti-skating adjustments (NOPE), flipping sides (YES), filing records (YES BUT ONLY AT THE END OF A LISTENING SESSION), zero-stat gun usage (NOPE), selecting loading plugs for phono stages (NOPE), tracking down and reducing RFI (NOPE), mucking about with earthing (NOPE), wall-shelves (NOPE), isolation platforms (remember Mana?) (BOUGHT A SO TABLE WITH MY LP12, PLONKED THE TURNTABLE ON IT AND BARRING HOUSE MOVES, THERE IT HAS STAYED), I wonder how vinyl people have any time left to listen to their records at all.

Seriously.

 

I think you are trying to create problems where there are none, you naughty Winky you. Most people who like vinyl also see the whole "putting a record on/turning it over" thing as part of the enjoyable ritual of listening to music. The other "issues" you highlight really only apply to the terminally anal or unreconstructed kit-fiddlers.

Simply a tongue-in-cheek response to the suggestion that the twonky-trouble-shooting so publicly displayed on this forum reflects the general experience with computer-based audio.

 

Computer based audio for most is a revelation. It liberates us from the tyranny of the physical medium!

Posted on: 21 November 2013 by Steve J
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by joerand:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

What, with all the record cleaning, TT adjustments, azimuths, tracking force, stylus cleaning, cartridge and arm matching, anti-skating adjustments, flipping sides, filing records, zero-stat gun usage, selecting loading plugs for phono stages, tracking down and reducing RFI, mucking about with earthing, wall-shelves, isolation platforms (remember Mana?), I wonder how vinyl people have any time left to listen to their records at all.

I had absolutely none of that Winky.

 

I bought a s/h RP6 and literally 15 minutes after I got it out of the box I was spinning vinyl that I had not played for 26 years. That was a year ago and I have not made a single adjustment to it since then. Same everything.

 

If you were to ask me about azimuths, tracking force, arm matching, zero stat guns, loading plugs, tracking down, RFI, wall shelves, isolation, grounding...... I would not have a clue. 

 

In fact, my RP6 is not grounded.

Yeah, I know it doesn't have to be difficult or fussy. My tongue was firmly in my cheek. I like the look of a Rega, actually. But seriously, my Mac Mini into SuperNait is easily the most convenient replay system I have ever had. Twonky streaming holds no appeal (yet).

So's a transistor radio. 

Posted on: 21 November 2013 by BigH47

I heard some 24/192 files through a HXD into a full 500 system, a revelation indeed.  It revealed a boring and "flat" image, not a patch on the vinyl, in fact there was more energy in the straight 16/44 rips.

 

Really for some one to criticise the fuss of using vinyl when they have to put on fancy dress to go out on their bike takes the biscuit. 

 

I would really have a problem with a product called Twonky. 

 

We had a BMW dealer near by called Cronk.